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    Please go easy on me here, I'm new to the site - I actually teach English to the military overseas ..

    I've been doing a lot of research on the web as I never met my grandfather, who was marked on my mother's Clonmel birth certificate as 'Private, National Army'. It seems that there was a brigade in Clonmel in 1944 as I found this on http://home.adelphia.net/~dryan67/orders/eire.htmlan:
    First Division: HQ Cork
    1st Brigade: HQ Clonmel
    10th, 13th, 21st Battalions

    Not knowing if my grandfather was English or Irish, I now think that he was an Irish Reservist . But where do I look for further information on him? I'm ideally looking for some sort of military records to discover his place of birth/date of birth which I would presume would be held in an archive somewhere??

    If anyone can point me in the right direction I'd be very grateful.

    Thanks

    Kira (specialist English teacher with a focus on the military/aviation & on travel in W.Africa but not geneaology!!!)

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    hi
    try military archives, cathal brugha bks
    rathmines, web site is


    try National Archives for population censuses, handy if you know were the person lived at the time of each census.........

    there located at
    Bishop St
    Dublin 8

    another area of research, the local parish church have records,

    best of luck

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    • #3
      If your Grandad married in Clonmel his Marriage cert will be in the Registrar's Office, County Clinic, Western Road, Clonmel, Co. Tipperary. The cert costs €10.

      I think, by 1944, the 13th Bn was stationed in Clonmel. His military record should be in Brigade Records, Collins Bks, Cork. I don't think they give them out that readily though but they might give stuff like place of birth and so on. You could also make general enquiries to Military Archives, Cathal Brugha Bks, Dublin. They won't do any research for you but they might have files in which you'd be interested.
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      • #4
        Thanks for all that.

        I have no idea if they married in Clonmel, I've already rung the office but don't have much luck there - living in France makes it a wee bit harder! As for the census - it's like a needle in a haystack at the moment, all I can confirm is that he was in Clonmel in '44 and in Somerset, UK in '54.

        So with your advice, I think my next port of call is the barracks in Dublin for old records.

        Unless anyone has any other info - can I ring Dublin? Would anyone know a number?

        Thanks again

        Kira

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Kira View Post
          Please go easy on me here, I'm new to the site - I actually teach English to the military overseas ..

          I've been doing a lot of research on the web as I never met my grandfather, who was marked on my mother's Clonmel birth certificate as 'Private, National Army'. It seems that there was a brigade in Clonmel in 1944 as I found this on http://home.adelphia.net/~dryan67/orders/eire.htmlan:
          First Division: HQ Cork
          1st Brigade: HQ Clonmel
          10th, 13th, 21st Battalions

          Not knowing if my grandfather was English or Irish, I now think that he was an Irish Reservist . But where do I look for further information on him? I'm ideally looking for some sort of military records to discover his place of birth/date of birth which I would presume would be held in an archive somewhere??

          If anyone can point me in the right direction I'd be very grateful.

          Thanks

          Kira (specialist English teacher with a focus on the military/aviation & on travel in W.Africa but not geneaology!!!)

          "National Army" means he was a member of the Irish Defence Forces (chances are IMO that he was a regular otherwise it would say something like "Local Defence Force").

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          • #6
            Thanks for those updates, I'll try Dublin tomorrow & let you know the outcome.

            DeV - you've cleared up a question of mine there! Thanks!

            Kira

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            • #7
              A quick update. I got through to the Military Archives. The guy on the phone was incredibly helpful especially when he realised I was direct next-of-kin and calling from abroad. He made a preliminary search but nothing turned up.

              I'm now to write to a rather long address with details.

              Thanks

              Kira

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