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Trooper
7th December 2009, 17:11
From a documentary called "Gods Chariot".

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Captain Edmund Blackadder
8th December 2009, 09:37
Great find.

Connaught Stranger
9th December 2009, 09:46
There was a thread about this on MP.net, (Now much changed due to deletion of OPSEC comments) the videos appear to be from Al Jazzera Sources,

and in reality do not reflect the truth with regards the Merkava and its capabilities, NO Tank is 100% proof against attack, either from the newest R.P.G. type weapons or hugh buried I.E.D.'s.

But the vehicle still continues to give very good protection to its crews and passengers, and is well suited to Israels current needs.

Connaught Stranger.

GoneToTheCanner
9th December 2009, 18:52
I agree.The Merkava is still a serious tank and an occasional success against it doesn't make it useless overnight.If you look at Abrams losses in Iraq, then the Merkava has nothing to be ashamed of.
regards
GttC

Trooper
9th December 2009, 19:04
It is well engineered piece of equipment but as said in the documentary "tanks should be used to fight tanks".
The main failure is in where it is chosen to deploy. Remember Blitzkrieg does not work in downtown.

Captain Edmund Blackadder
9th December 2009, 19:43
Look to Chechnya for a recent example in how tanks don't work against mobile groups in an urban environment

Fireplace
9th December 2009, 19:55
On one side a few tanks destroyed and a few more temporarily out operation, countless dead attackers the other side.

California Tanker
14th December 2009, 17:37
Look to Chechnya for a recent example in how tanks don't work against mobile groups in an urban environment

Look to Chechnya for a recent example of how tanks work in urban environment.

The first time around, the Russians just sent in tanks using the worst possible tactics one could come up with. That's the event you reference.

The second time around, they overwhelmingly beat the crap out of the Chenyans, they just used their armour more intelligently. Even in town, fifty tons of steel with a big feck-off gun is going to be a tough nut to crack and provides a capability nothing else does.

NTM

apc
14th December 2009, 18:57
The second time around, they overwhelmingly beat the crap out of the Chenyans, they just used their armour more intelligently. Even in town, fifty tons of steel with a big feck-off gun is going to be a tough nut to crack and provides a capability nothing else does.



One of the main problems encountered was attack by RPGs from 4th and 5th floor windows ( to attack the topside armour), above the max elevation of main guns. Their answer was to deploy ZSU 23 and 2K22 Tunguska with their higher elevating weapons when deploying armour in urban areas.

Border Bunny
14th December 2009, 19:23
RPGs from 4th and 5th floor windows

Backblast

GoneToTheCanner
14th December 2009, 20:26
Backblast isn't going to be a factor if someone is firing from the roof or a gutted building.Ask some of your IRA buddies how they learned to cope with backblast.
regards
GttC

Captain Edmund Blackadder
14th December 2009, 20:56
Sorry. Meant the first battle of Grozny in the first war in the example I mentioned. Should've made that clearer.

sofa
14th December 2009, 23:32
Backblast isn't going to be a factor if someone is firing from the roof or a gutted building.Ask some of your IRA buddies how they learned to cope with backblast.
regards
GttC



When it came to using RPG's. pira were a bunch of clowns. The snatch landrovers and saxons should have being sitting ducks.

Trooper
15th December 2009, 15:26
Looks like the back blast problem is well on it's way to being solved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IH5nFAi16E

GoneToTheCanner
15th December 2009, 15:38
I thought the modern German Panzerfaust III had solved it, by blowing a mass of plastic pellets out of the back?
regards
GttC

paul g
15th December 2009, 17:31
When it came to using RPG's. pira were a bunch of clowns. The snatch landrovers and saxons should have being sitting ducks.

one of the witnesses at the Chilcot inquiry was asked about this a few days ago, pointing out that as an institution the British forgot their experience in Northern Ireland, where they used helicopers to patrol areas, and ignored road moves.

DeV
15th December 2009, 17:35
Most of the RPGs that the PIRA used were improvised/home made

andy
16th December 2009, 20:07
good post !

hedgehog
16th December 2009, 20:32
Thanks, I appreciate sentiments like that.