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Jack.s
13th June 2011, 16:32
Hey I heard there was a recruiting ban in effect :( But is it possible to still join the reserve and say not get paid?

Goldie fish
13th June 2011, 16:48
No.
Same applies to all the RDF.
There are threads on it elsewhere. Recruitment is very limited, you are either in it or you aren't, it isn't a question of money(you only get paid one or 2 weeks in the year in any case).

You should contact your local unit and they will be able to
(a) give you a better idea of the situation on the ground
(b) take your name so they can contact you when recruiting re-commences.

Jack.s
13th June 2011, 16:50
Ok cheers I was thinking of joining the Navy Reserve in Collins Barracks I'm currently 16 but I hear the garda approval thing takes ages to get.

hptmurphy
13th June 2011, 23:08
17 being the lower age limit and most won't even process you until you reach 17.

Jack.s
14th June 2011, 17:30
Ya but surely they could get me sorted with garda approval so I could join right when I'm 17. Its a waste of a year for them and me if im going through all that Garda red-tape

Jack.s
16th October 2011, 21:50
Just wondering when do ye meet up in Collins Barracks?

golden rivet
18th October 2011, 21:16
just use that shiny mobile in your pocket... make that call...

Law of the sea
18th October 2011, 23:56
Just wondering when do ye meet up in Collins Barracks?

Brother was in that unit, (Cork right?) Tuesdays at 19:45 apparantly.

Goldie fish
19th October 2011, 00:38
Gone from Collins Barracks I understand. Now in Haulbowline. Ring first.

Law of the sea
19th October 2011, 21:40
Gone from Collins Barracks I understand. Now in Haulbowline. Ring first.

Just got confirmation, Haulbowline is only during the summer months.

popeye
22nd October 2011, 11:04
Hi Jack.s
The NSR in Cork are back in Collins Bks for the winter. The NSR are not allowed to Recruit at the moment. We have 12 people who are in the system some have done meds ect and we won't be allowed to take these people in.I am afraid it is not looking good at the moment, this might all change when the value for money report come out, you never know we might even get disbanded.

If we start recruiting the we would be delighted to have you.

Hope this helps.

Jack.s
16th December 2011, 17:13
Cheers lads,
Will just wait and see. Might just hold off anyway for a few years is it true that if you become a bridge watchkeeper in the merchant navy you get an automatic commission in the NSR?

Law of the sea
17th December 2011, 01:28
Cheers lads,
Will just wait and see. Might just hold off anyway for a few years is it true that if you become a bridge watchkeeper in the merchant navy you get an automatic commission in the NSR?

I think you technically can but you'd never gain respect from the men. I know a case from the Army Reserve where the officer in question was a laughing stock (obviously a different degee to a watchkeepers.).

hptmurphy
17th December 2011, 03:45
Might just hold off anyway for a few years is it true that if you become a bridge watchkeeper in the merchant navy you get an automatic commission in the NSR?

No!

danno
17th December 2011, 08:10
No!

Whats the civvy status of a NS skippers ticket,is it a full Masters(unlimited) or is it confined to vessells under 3000t.

Jack.s
17th December 2011, 11:10
Danno as far as I know you get the same training as the NMCI civlians which is an unlimited officers ticket I think.
Also sean according to the DF website they do! http://www.military.ie/careers/reserve/join-the-reserve/specialist-officers

Goldie fish
17th December 2011, 12:26
Not too familiar with STCW 95, however NS dack cadets have in the past got their initial seatime on a combination of NS and Merchant vessels(over 3000 T).
However the type of activity the NS vessels normally engage in is more similar to that of a vessel over 3000T. Smaller vessels would not be at sea, for the prolonged periods normally seen by NS vessels. Most would be transiting for no longer than 2 days between ports.

danno
17th December 2011, 14:32
Thanks for that,I reckon its more so a long intercon passage that is more imp than seatime as such,otherwise trawler skippers would also qualify,all thigs being equal.

Goldie fish
17th December 2011, 14:54
Thanks for that,I reckon its more so a long intercon passage that is more imp than seatime as such,otherwise trawler skippers would also qualify,all thigs being equal.


By the same reasoning, skippers on OSVs wouldn't nead any more that a trawler skipper ticket, but all have unlimited tickets.
How often would a trawler based in Donegal visit Chile/Hong Kong/Estonia/Boston

danno
17th December 2011, 20:41
By the same reasoning, skippers on OSVs wouldn't nead any more that a trawler skipper ticket, but all have unlimited tickets.
How often would a trawler based in Donegal visit Chile/Hong Kong/Estonia/Boston

"all things being equal"

hptmurphy
17th December 2011, 20:50
How often would a trawler based in Donegal visit Chile/Hong Kong/Estonia/Boston

The way fisheries restrictions are shaping up Trawler skippers will be lucky to have a job and could well end up in any of the above working a fish processing plant!!!

Flintstone
17th December 2011, 21:22
The way fisheries restrictions are shaping up Trawler skippers will be lucky to have a job and could well end up in any of the above working a fish processing plant!!!

It will be interesting to see the small print of the agreement reached in Brussels yesterday. On the face of it, it could be a good deal.

danno
17th December 2011, 21:36
The way fisheries restrictions are shaping up Trawler skippers will be lucky to have a job and could well end up in any of the above working a fish processing plant!!!

Thinking along same lines,according to I Times Minister Coveney has secured a TAC of 250m for us.
If you take into account the cost of the NS,new OPVs,BIM,Marine Inst,SFPA and fish components of det and NMCI plus the CASAs more must be spent than what it produces and an "fish protection/conservation" industry which prob has more fulltimers than persons fishing has grown up over the years.
Other costs are pier and harbour expenditure and 50m annual CG heli bill which was commissioned at behest of fishing families.
Is fishing really viable or is it a magnet fo state funds and the preserve of vested interests.

Goldie fish
17th December 2011, 21:49
Like farming, the way we fish in this country is unsustainable as a profitable industry. Every coastal sea dog wants his own boat, fishing for the same fish that does not provide good return for the cost of catching.
I spoke to a man recently who commuted 80 miles during makerel season daily, to fish in his tiny boat. The cost of his commute soon wiped out any profit he made. However he was happy to do so at a loss, and make up the balance of his annual income in the dole office.

danno
17th December 2011, 22:08
Maybe the "something for nothing" mentality at play.Could our entire TAC be fished by a dozen or so large boats with an inspector on board to monitor matters,the costs otherwise are completely daft.FOCN may be of similiar view with his MERC initiative to give the NS a viable role away from fishing.
This question/issue might be a good topic for somebody in the NS doing their senior C&S for their thesis.

Goldie fish
17th December 2011, 22:55
SFPA has managed to remove any potential market for illegally caught fish in this state. However quota targets and net size etc still need to be policed for a while yet.
However no point becoming another single use agency. Diversification is the key. for the NS and the fishermen too.

danno
17th December 2011, 23:16
Fair enough, how long more can present set up last based on clapped out boats(nearly all used imports) and low wages.
There has to be a hint of self service amongst the agencies which encourage fishing,how many of those would (or send their own kids) out on sim boats on sim T&C.
Smacks of the Land Commission of old expecting people to survive on 20 acre farms.Something seriously wrong if ,as you will find and see,that the wages of the shore based agencies are far superior to those of the av fisherman.Having limited scrappage schemes only prolongs the problem.Nothing funny when a crew goes down with a boat.

Jack.s
17th December 2011, 23:31
Hmm true sorry lads were getting a bit off topic here! I'm curious about the specialist officers section of the DF website under navy reserve it says if you are a bridge watchkeeper in the MN you are elegible for direct reserve commission is this still in effect (was thinking of going into the merchant navy then joining NSR in a few years)

danno
18th December 2011, 10:47
A lot will depend on where you career is at.To be useful you wil have to have a command/exec off on a locally based vessel so your quals will be current.The very few/rare local positions that do arise will be chased down by NS officers coming out into FLR.
Also bear in mind that the last thing,at that stage,will be further marine work in your spare time as you may well have a family to cater for.Good luck with your career in any event.

Goldie fish
18th December 2011, 11:40
Hmm true sorry lads were getting a bit off topic here! I'm curious about the specialist officers section of the DF website under navy reserve it says if you are a bridge watchkeeper in the MN you are elegible for direct reserve commission is this still in effect (was thinking of going into the merchant navy then joining NSR in a few years)

Be advised that there is an upper age limit to joining the RDF and it takes 4 years to achieve a suitable watchkeeping ticket. Can you point me towards the link where it says that? I thought the only DE accepted were engineer officers, and that was in the Naval Service, not Reserve.

Law of the sea
18th December 2011, 12:37
Be advised that there is an upper age limit to joining the RDF and it takes 4 years to achieve a suitable watchkeeping ticket. Can you point me towards the link where it says that? I thought the only DE accepted were engineer officers, and that was in the Naval Service, not Reserve.

http://www.military.ie/careers/reserve/join-the-reserve/specialist-officers

Goldie fish
18th December 2011, 12:41
http://www.military.ie/careers/reserve/join-the-reserve/specialist-officers

Thank you.
How things have changed. I know 2 people with motor and deck tickets who considered transferring from RDF but were left in no doubt that they would have to follow the standard recruitment pattern.

The Count of Monty Christo
29th July 2012, 23:06
Hmm true sorry lads were getting a bit off topic here! I'm curious about the specialist officers section of the DF website under navy reserve it says if you are a bridge watchkeeper in the MN you are elegible for direct reserve commission is this still in effect (was thinking of going into the merchant navy then joining NSR in a few years)

At present there are 2 specialist merchant seamen with there with Bridge Watchkeeper Certs and have been in the NSR at least 10 years and have been selected for the next P/officer course NSR. This course will take about 2 years to complete. There is present a Doctor with diving medical qualifications that has been taken into the NSR in the last year. Maybe this is the only skilled person can be taken in the RDF (NSR) under this regulation. A bit of advice, if interested still in joining the NSR be careful about your age I think 35 is the max age limit. You can serve in the NSR while still working Deep sea.






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