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Fox
7th March 2003, 10:32
Whats the chance of the USAF setting up a Base in Ireland ? Ive heard that they would love a Base in the Republic, hence why they use Shannon as a Stopover as it's a direct trip to wherever they go after that.

Id say give them 10-15years and there will be a USAF Base here:D

They want one here and people know it as they wouldnt have t send the B-52's to Fairford as that is seen as hassle with regards to fuel etc.

If Shannon can take a C-5 Galaxy fully laden then it should take B-52's except for the little problem of the runway being too small with regard to the B-52's wingspan.

Im positive that it will happen, what do you think ? ? ? :-patriot:

Boomer
7th March 2003, 10:45
You are forgetting that this would require a constitutional change and as a result is EXTREMELY unlikely :)

Shane

Thorpe
7th March 2003, 10:53
Fox that is a big No No, for all the reasons Boomer stated and much more. Can you imagine the reaction from the tree huggers.

magister
7th March 2003, 11:23
They already have. In Shannon and Abbeyshrule.

It didn't take a constitutional amendment for them. Which part of the constitution are you thinking of?

Thorpe
7th March 2003, 11:27
I had frogotten about Abbeyshrule;) .

Boomer
7th March 2003, 15:08
The Aircraft in Shannon are there with the permission of the Government on a refuelling stop nothing more. As for Abbeyshrule I have yet to see concrete evidance that USAF or any other AF aircraft are based out of there.

As for constitutional change, isnt being a neutral contry a barrier to basing other countries military hardware in your country permanently (as a base would be, I dont count Shannon as a base for the above reason), so therefore the neutrality part of the constitution would have to change.

Add to that the fact that the DFs standing abroad would be severly damaged if there was a foreign military base in the Republic.

Shane

yellowjacket
7th March 2003, 15:16
Neutrality isn't mentioned in the constitution. It's a general government policy notmentioned in the law.

The 29th amendment which was the result of the Nice referendum did introduce the following clause to Article 29, Section4:

9° The State shall not adopt a decision taken by the European Council to establish a common defence pursuant to Article 1.2 of the Treaty referred to in subsection 7° of this section where that common defence would include the State.

There is nothing here to stop us joining NATO, for example!

Boomer
7th March 2003, 15:18
Hmmm I thought De Velera enshrined neutrality in Irish Law, just goes to show that we cant all be 100% correct in Law :)

Fox
7th March 2003, 15:24
It would be nice to see them set up camp here though, think of all the vast airspace they would have to play with he he:-patriot:

I read somewhere that if your over Iceland, your still in :-patriot: IRISH:-patriot: Airspace, can anybody back this up ? ?

If The Republic joined NATO, It would do a great deal of good for this country Militarily and Economically.

But it's Ireland were in and thats just the way it is:mad: :( :eek:

Aidan
7th March 2003, 15:30
Brian Cowen made some remarks on the subject yesterday, saying that we wouldn't be joining a CFSP, but that he would be amenable to signing a 'Solidarity clause'.

Basically, its a recognition of the fact that the chances of passing a referendum here on a CFSP are still slim ... this way, we make a committment to European security, but not one that'll be in breach of the 29th amendment.

paul g
7th March 2003, 19:19
I think that the constitution afirms the states desire to resolve all disputes pacifically where ever possible or something ike that, which doesn't enshrine neutrality in the constitution or indeed prevent us going to war.

Tucco
8th March 2003, 12:26
The constitution merely states that Ireland will not declare war or take part in a war "Without the consent of the Oireachtas". Which is basically similar to laws in every other country in the world, including NATO members.

Plus, people should not forget the Irish constitution was adopted in 1937. Neutrality was adopted by DeValera and the Dail in 1939 at the outbreak of war. Since then we have been notionally neutral, but it's not set out in any law anywhere on the Irish statute books. And the Irish people have never been asked to vote on it.

If we were truly neutral, Irish soldiers could not have engaged in combat overseas, Niemba, Jadotsville, Congo tunnel, At Tiri, and peace 'making' in Somalia etc.

In fact Irish neutrality has for generations been used by politicians as an excuse to have minimal defence spending. Leading to soldiers arriving in the Congo jungle in wooly socks and half of our trucks breaking down on the way to the border in 1969. Not to mention having the Europe's only undefended airspace.
:rolleyes: