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Silver
11th December 2004, 02:01
For anybody interested -

There is a feature article on Irish Army Lansverks in the Jan 05 issue of 'Classic Military Vehicles' magazine (which is in the shops now).

The 'Lansverks' featured are the Irish-built variants, one of which has been immaculately restored by (and is displayed in) the Tank Museum in the UK.


What did the Army get in exchange for it when it went to the UK (many years ago) ?

Goldie fish
11th December 2004, 03:48
The Scania..

hptmurphy
11th December 2004, 04:53
Ireland didn't build lansverks!..we built a rough copy on a leyland chasiss...and a similar one on a dodge chassis.

Groundhog
11th December 2004, 08:27
I thought they were Swedish.

Måk
11th December 2004, 15:36
ooops.. damn lack of sleep made me post that the Landsverk was swopped for a Ferret when infact it was a Leyland armoured car that we swopped with the British ( and that Leyland and swop is the one covered by the Military Modelling magazine article back in the mid 80s). The Landsverks and Leylands were both similar looking( both 6x6 ) hence my initial confusion.

Regards

Måk

Fianóglach
11th December 2004, 17:42
PICTURE TAKEN AT CAVALRY CORPS 80th ANNIVERSARY
Other Pics of that day: Click Here (http://www.esatclear.ie/~curragh/cavday.htm)

Gasplug
11th December 2004, 18:21
Is that what the cav corps used to lovelingly refer to as an oven on wheels? Or was it a different armoured car?

hptmurphy
11th December 2004, 20:58
That was the Fords. the lansverks were built in sweden..the dodges and leylands were built on comercial truck chassis in Ireland. the fords were built again on commercial truck chassis by thompsons in carlow........

read karl Martins book Irish army vehicles for a detailed history of ALL irish army transport.

CMV have an add for a AML90 petrol engined..probably spanish...for sale if anybody is interested.

sledger
12th December 2004, 00:32
Link to the Irish Leyland at the tank museum

http://www.tankmuseum.co.uk/colhid_1104.html

Goldie fish
12th December 2004, 00:45
What did we swap to get the Scania then?

Silver
13th December 2004, 02:54
As pictured in the mag (except in black and white!) -

http://www.tankmuseum.co.uk/images/new-images/2195_a_6.jpg

Interestingly, the tank museum's website states that the (Swedish) Lansverks had a "rear facing drivers position" ???

How did that work ?

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Also, speaking of old armour, I notice that the small tank (name eludes me?) in the Curragh has been repainted and moved to the front of one of the new buildings.

Goldie fish
13th December 2004, 04:53
it has a second driver in the rear,facing rearwards naturally,to assist in making a fast getaway...

"full speed ahead..backwards"

PTE bog
13th December 2004, 07:09
Rear facing driver? Handy for the cav! Only joking, it was begging to be said, sorry :wink:

Truck Driver
13th December 2004, 16:35
Also, speaking of old armour, I notice that the small tank (name eludes me?) in the Curragh has been repainted and moved to the front of one of the new buildings.

It's a Comet, if I remember correctly....

hptmurphy
13th December 2004, 20:40
npe i think the small tank that you are alluding to is the landswerk L60 that was parked up as gate guardian in front of the cav school. The comet is a larger more serious looking piece of kit.

Gasplug
14th December 2004, 01:38
why is it that the df have allowed two old churchills to rot in the curragh? would they be better in a mueseum or something, because they make the place look like a scrapyard!!!

hptmurphy
14th December 2004, 22:31
they are waiting for the museum to put them in to be finished! plus work shop space is at a premium.

The white lady was swapped for a landsverk armouerd car about five years ago that was picked up by A swedish hercules at baldonnel. There were a few piccys in Cosantoir at the time!

Silver
15th December 2004, 02:54
What is 'the white lady' ?

B Inman
15th December 2004, 04:38
http://www.geocities.com/irisharmoredvehicles/Scania.jpg

Scania APC used by Irish Troops in the Congo.


Originally called the White lady because of the white colour scheme used in the Congo. In the late 70s I saw some 8mm film of one being used in the Congo and it was armed with twin mounted Vickers water cooled MMGs.

danno
31st December 2010, 16:14
Has anyone had a close look at the two gun barrells on the Landswerk 60 in tth Nat Mus,they both look like mock ups welded onto the turret,the weapons on the other vehicles there seem to be OE in comparison.

hptmurphy
1st January 2011, 02:33
Don't worry. all will be revealed soon..the definitive book is awaiting print.The test copies have been read and sent back.....almost there

jaeger
1st January 2011, 18:12
I remember seeing these vehicles in the Easter Sunday parades in Dublin back in the 60's (with the Vampires overhead!) when I was but a lad. They looked quite impressive then, to the uninformed eye of course, but when I recently watched a newsreel of the same vehicles seeing-off the first of the Congo deployments I realised just how utterly antiquated they really were. I couldn't help wondering how Ireland managed to miss out on the opportunity to replace all of these museum pieces from the vast amounts of US and British stocks knocking about in Europe after the end of WW2 and at bargain-basement prices? I'm sure a few hundred Greyhoound and Staghound AC's could have been picked up at a snip to re-equip the Cavalry reconnaissance squadrons and a hundred M3 Half-tracks could have given the Free State a full Mechanized-Infantry Brigade or one Mech. Bn in each command? If they'd chosen to they could even have adopted the Garand rifle and stole a march on the Brits who soldiered on with the Lee- Enfield into the early 60's. Other items such as uniforms, radios, and engineering plant were also available in vast amounts.
I know that it will all have been about cost and small-minded politicians etc, but what an opportunity missed!:S

danno
1st January 2011, 22:38
At least three ex RN corvettes were bought after ww2 for the NS.

jaeger
2nd January 2011, 20:14
True, and by Christ, the NS got their moneys worth out of them!

railwaylad
14th January 2011, 17:35
Don't worry. all will be revealed soon..the definitive book is awaiting print.The test copies have been read and sent back.....almost there

what is the book called or where can it be draft read