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I.T
1st January 2005, 03:35
Well then seems you guys are interested I might as well send out my first update :smile:

Things are starting to look up again, it seems the paperwork I lost over here was just a 'notice' that I was being put on a non-effective list and not actually discharged.
It seems my actuall commitment ended in January 2003. Long story short I had family back there search the house and low and behold they had my 'certificate of discharge' stuck in a file so it is now on its way to me.

As for me my next meeting with a recruiter is next Monday, so far its mainly administrative stuff, makeing sure all the paperwork is in order. The rate I was hopeing to enter as was BM or Boatswain's Mate (seaman) but unfortunatly that is not a source rate for the dive specialties so it will all depend on what security clearance I can get. As I am not a citizen here yet it is doubtfull that I can get a secret clearance so gunners mate (GM) is probably not an option. Which will pretty much leave me with damage controlman (DC).
It may be a couple of months yet before I actually ship out but when I do if I go the DC route then it will mean 9 weeks in Great Lakes for Navy Boot, then I believe it is 10 weeks of DC "A" school, that i think is also in Great lakes, it used to be California but they moved it a few years back. After that at some point with any luck I will be heading to Panama City in Florida to attend the Naval Diving & Salvage Training Center (NDSTC).

Thats about all I have for now I guess, Will hopefully know something new on Monday

Goldie fish
1st January 2005, 03:40
Great Lakes is something of a bad description really,considering that they are about the same size of the irish sea..each...Lookin forward to the next update.

faughanballagh
1st January 2005, 04:35
Glad to see everything is back in order. Good luck with your process, soon enough you'll be on your way to becoming a "Shellback." :tongue:

hptmurphy
1st January 2005, 06:30
Good stuff.delighted to see that a new carreer is emerging ...best of luck and welcome to the land of the crab!

strummer
2nd January 2005, 10:04
IT,

Unfortunately you will not qualify for any security clearance without having US citizenship. However, you will be eligible to apply for citizenship after a very short period of active duty with the Navy. There is an office on each post to assist you with this. But by that time you will have signed your contract and chances are it will be next to impossible to change your rate to the one you want. The classic catch 22. Make sure you run all options by your recruiter. Don't let him fob you off, he is trying put bodies in hard to fill slots. Your situation is gonna mean more work for him to get you what you want.

If you do sign on the dotted line, let us know. I'm about 40 minutes from Great Lakes NTC. I can pick you up if you get a weekend pass or deliver some beer to you !!!!! Actually, word now is that GLNTC is like a summer camp these days. Not too taxing at all. Recruits don't even pull KP anymore !!! You sure you really want to be a squid ?????
Later.

I.T
4th January 2005, 09:34
Well it was an uneventfull recruiter trip today, Mainly just a weight and BMI checkup, I started playing football a few months back and had to pile on some weight and now I need to drop it again to get under the maximum allowed standard. But they dont want me looseing weight to fast so its back and forth pretty often to get rechecked, so far I seem to loose 2-4 Lbs a week and am down to 23% body fat. Other then that I have to throw in some major study time for the ASVAB which will be comeing up shortly. Most of the sections seem easy enough except for Auto/Shop which I didnt do in school and the Math, most of which I havent needed to know since the leaving cert.... and even then I didnt care about it all that much. But it isnt to bad I should do fine on the tests.

It does look like I will be going with the DC rate, I aint thrilled by that but it was either that or yoeman. Oh will it will just be added incentive to get through the dive training.

Strummer, I did contemplate army for about five minutes, because the have a dive unit too, but it didnt take to long to realise I am a born squid. I am only really happy in my life when I at sea. "sticks and stones may break my bones but storm force 10 excites me!!" :biggrin: and since I arrived it this great land of diverseness I have discovered a particular fondness for Pacific Island ladies...... dont think I would find to many of them around Bragg or Lewis. But if I can swing a posting to MDU-2 then life will indeed be good *LOL* :cool:

I assume by KP you mean the Service week of boot?, If so you are right they dropped last year I believe for an extra week of anti terrorism training and more live fire range time. Civvy contractors handle all the service jobs now I believe, Will be sure to let you know when I finally get to ship

Goldie fish
4th January 2005, 16:36
"sticks and stones may break my bones but storm force 10 excites me!!" :biggrin:



Thats a good line.. :biggrin:

JAG
5th January 2005, 20:31
I.T., you are aware of the brevity of the working life of a commercial/salvage diver? Crippling changes in bone density due to sustained high pressure? Most commercial divers don't last six years; they either quit, get hurt or die within that time.

Your life & health expectancy would be much better served by staying above the waves (or within recreational limits), but if you insist on deep diving.....can I have your equipment :)

mmmm......narcosis.....mmmmm

strummer
5th January 2005, 21:59
What about the US Coast Guard? Rescue Swimmer is a bad-ass job !!! They've got some other cool stuff too!!!

I.T
6th January 2005, 06:06
I.T., you are aware of the brevity of the working life of a commercial/salvage diver? Crippling changes in bone density due to sustained high pressure? Most commercial divers don't last six years; they either quit, get hurt or die within that time.
Yup I am fully aware of it, in fact my common term for a surface supplied diver is "dope on a rope" they most often have to do whatever dive whenever ever they are told to do it, more often then not they seem to be just a number to an employer.... if you dont do the job there will be 10 other guys in line behind you willing to do it.

This to me is the logical progression of my life, I can never remember a time when i wanted to be anything other then military, I may not have known what branch or specialty. It can seem corny but I believe the sea is somewhat in my blood for atleast three generations I believe so from age 12 or so I never considered anything but Navy. I moved to the US almost 5 years ago and allowed myself to get distracted from my course Now I am 25 and to old to enlist back home anymore so the US Navy is now my best option. I havent seen an ocean or ever a large lake since July 2000 and it is almost eating me up. I think I have reached the now or never part of my life I can take the heartache of the job and all its ramifications but I cant stomach the idea of growing old after missing my chance and not atleast tried


Your life & health expectancy would be much better served by staying above the waves (or within recreational limits), but if you insist on deep diving.....can I have your equipment :)

:biggrin: I couldnt stay within recreational limits, Even when I was a sport diver. A lot of my dives where deep and most of them where solo. I remember takeing a scubapro service course and the head of Scubapro UK ran downloaded my computer to his system ... he then preceded to tell me I should already be dead and started to teach me safe diving practices.
I told him that if his system said I shouldnt have made it, and it would seem that I did then it was obvious that they had programmed to much of a safety margin into the computer, and that I didint start diving to be told by his computer what my limit was, I was doing it to find out for me what I am capable of. That is why I am doing my upmost to get to where I want, either NEDU or MDSU-1.

Sure you want the equipment? Shipping and handling costs could be pretty big :biggrin:

I.T
6th January 2005, 06:14
What about the US Coast Guard? Rescue Swimmer is a bad-ass job !!! They've got some other cool stuff too!!!

Strummer, I did consider the USCG enough to chat with their recruiter But both Navy Dver and CG Rescue swimmer are High Speed carreers... the washout rate for both is pretty high and I have to consider where I would be happiest serving my time if for somereason I cant get my Ideal posting

yooklid
6th January 2005, 06:30
Hey IT,

If you've been there for 5 years (on a green card, I'm assuming) you are eligible for citizenship, and that opens up a whole host of other opportunitites. I know that the BCIS is supposedly getting down the App process to 6 months. Maybe worth checking this out...

-Y

JAG
6th January 2005, 16:09
Nevermind

FMolloy
7th January 2005, 01:40
Again, JAG shows his expertise in every field & his canny knack to say he knows someone after 8 posts.

We're so lucky to have someone like you here.

Joshua
7th January 2005, 02:46
FM, I.T is showing complete disregard for diving guidelines and JAG is highlighting this.

combatlogo
7th January 2005, 05:54
FM, I'll have to add my support to JAG here.

IT, who taught you to scuba dive 'cos they sure did a crap job. I can guarantee you one thing - with an attitude like that, you won't be allowed onto the plane to Panama Beach, let alone graduate....I sure as hell wouldn't want to be relying on you in a life or death situation.

I.T
7th January 2005, 06:46
Ahem, I don't know you but you are a MORON. Diving deep or on your own are stupid. Doing both at the same time is suicidal. That instructor is right- you should be dead.

:frown: Ok first off I am going to give you the credit of assumeing that you are qualified to preach and therefore you are a diver. If so what are your favourite dive sites? Ever dive the U-260 or Kowloon bridge stern section 30 years ago those dives would have been called suicidal now days hundreds or thousands make those dives each year and there are much more in the same depth range If somebody hadnt pushed the limit back then sportdivers today would be missing out on some of the best dive sites we now know. 40 years ago 20 meters was almost considered extreme today 40 meter dives are routine for experianced divers what will the routine be in another 40 years? I for one would like to be a part of finding out..



I know you. You're the one that decides that the rules not only do not apply to you, they don't apply to whoever you're with and who is relying on you if something goes wrong for them.
You should have stuck with your first response ... you dont know me, I am fully aware that the rules of physics apply to me, physics as after all the most rigid science, but I also recognise that science advances the rules that apply last year may not apply after this years inventions. If everyone ridgidly followed the rules we wouldnt have trimix, nitrox or rebreathers today. As to those who rely on me you couldnt be further of base... when I dive a limit I dive MY limit no dive should EVER be made that is beyond the capability of the most inexperianced group member. When I dive with a buddy the dive is always within their limits That alone is the reason my deeper dives were solo.. if I get into trouble I have nobody to rely on, that in converse is why I never had a shortage of people willing to dive with me... the knew I wouldnt take stupid risks,and they knew i may gamble on my own but I would never take a risk with somebody elses live and my dives were always planned for safety. In fact my most common buddy complaint was for things I wouldnt allow them to do or my willingness to abort a dive for minor reasons

I.T
7th January 2005, 07:04
FM, I'll have to add my support to JAG here.

IT, who taught you to scuba dive 'cos they sure did a crap job. I can guarantee you one thing - with an attitude like that, you won't be allowed onto the plane to Panama Beach, let alone graduate....I sure as hell wouldn't want to be relying on you in a life or death situation.

If its ok with you I feel my instructors abilities can be left out of this, I tend to believe I am responsible for my own actions

If you feel you dont want to rely on me i wont hold it against you, with anyluck you wont have to :smile: Anybody that has relied on my in a life and death situation is still alaive so I will just be happy with my safety record thus far.

As for the opinion of NDSTC, well I guess we will just have to wait and see what they think ... untill then ...

JAG
7th January 2005, 16:14
Off topic crap duly removed

Off topic crap added:

FM, you're a moderator. If you don't like me being on this board then by all means ban me. No point calling it a discussion board if you're only allowed toe the MOD's line on issues.

Goldie fish
7th January 2005, 20:05
Right Everyone. Listen carefully.

This post is created to keep us up to date on I.T's progress in his attempts to join the USN(Or did I miss something). None of us "know" him,or his experience,and in fairness JAG, your experience in Diving is relatively new. If I.T. is making serious mistakes,then it is his responsibility alone,and not ours. It is not our place either to suggest either he is a Moron or his instructors did a crap job.

There will be no further insults exchanged in this section by anyone. Stick to the topic PLEASE

I.T
8th January 2005, 06:48
ok back on topic


Hey IT,

If you've been there for 5 years (on a green card, I'm assuming) you are eligible for citizenship, and that opens up a whole host of other opportunitites. I know that the BCIS is supposedly getting down the App process to 6 months. Maybe worth checking this out...

-Y
This is something I am really thinking about right now, and it is proveing to be an agoniseing decision. I will actually be eligable for citizenship in September of this year, but with processing time and everything that would put my shipdate into Mid to late 2006.... I am not sure I am willing to wait that long, I have gone over it with the recruiter and right now the plan is to procede as far as possible and then see exactly what my options are at that point .... I also have some former and current navy people here that I am in regular contact with and getting advice from. I am hopeing that if my ASVAB breakdown and AFQT are high enough I may be able to switch rates later on if I go in as a Boatswains mate because BM is an easy spot to fill, If I qualify and volunteer for a harder rate I may have a shot

strummer
9th January 2005, 09:20
Ask to go SPLIT OPTION. You go to basic training, then return to the civvy world for a time, and then go back to your "A" school. Your rate is on your contract but i'm led to believe that it's easier to change it when you are on split option. especially if you obtain citizenship while you are between schools.

The split option track is popular with students, college and high-school. It let's them go to basic one summer, return to finish their last yeat of school and them go back in to the military full time.

You can only ask.

I.T
11th January 2005, 08:03
Strummer Thanks for the heads up, I hadnt heard of that ... although I may be delayed until Citizenship now either way .... my beautifull ex Informed me yesterday that there was a problem with our paperwork and it needs to be refiled again ... so for a few moew monthes she is my Ex-to-be ::tri::

Ex-soldier
11th January 2005, 10:56
One piece of serious advice for you. Do Not try to break any diving rules if you do end up attending a navy diving school. Remember, all the rules that apply to civilian diving were originally written by the United States Navy. I don't think they would appreciate you telling them that they were wrong all along. Almost every aspect of scuba diving was invented by the US Navy. They would never allow you to dive solo, nor would they permit deep dives without proper equipment or proper training. I wouldn't go telling them about how you have made it a habit of disregarding all of the safety procedures that they developed over the years after losing many of their divers in accidents. If you know anything about diving, you know that they are the proven experts and they will have no problem telling you that themselves. If they think that you are the type who will disregard their safety rules, you will be gone so fast your feet won't hit the ground. Just some advice without any insults.

yooklid
17th March 2005, 01:30
Any news from this Chap?

Steamy Window
12th November 2005, 06:44
*bump* Any word, IT?

I.T
16th November 2005, 20:12
Not much really all my paperwork is now in order and i decided to wait on citizenship to ensure i will be able to get a rate needed for dive school. That application is now filed and it is up to how fast (read slow) INS decides to work.
In the mean time the local PD i had been reserve with had a slot open up to try for SERT and go full time i give it a shot and was lucky enough to make it through, so while i wait for INS i am taking time to evaluate my ultimate life goals, right now i am extremely happy with things ... And i have a few more years before the USN will deem me to be to old so i feel no rush .... for now :smile:

yooklid
21st November 2007, 20:52
Any thing ever happen to this?

yooklid
21st November 2007, 21:03
Lack of use?

hedgehog
21st November 2007, 21:05
Yeah, he was deleted.

that sounds so clinical

Groundhog
21st November 2007, 21:09
Yeah, he was deleted.


that sounds so clinical

Erased is so much nicer.:biggrin: