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  • L.E.Eithne to Join Royal Navy....

    Its not what you think...

    For next years commemoration of Waterloo,the Historic British battle,which saw Nelson turn back the french in classical style,The L.E Eithne is set to take part in the Naval review as reported by Ireland on Sunday Last week

    The RN is struggling to get a fleet together for this event. The involvment of an Irish vessel in the review represents the hundreds of Irishmen who served with the RN at this time.


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

  • #2
    Didn't wellington win the battle of waterloo?

    Trafalgar perhaps?

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    • #3
      Doh....I meant Trafalgar...


      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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      • #4
        Dose't really matter...the french had the shite hammered outta them on both occasions.


        Interestingly have the French ever been able to win a scrap on their own without having to depend on the intervention of the rest of the world?????
        Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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        • #5
          The Spanish aided the French at Trafalgar, albeit not very well
          "Gentlemen, you can’t fight in here...this is the War Room!"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by hptmurphy
            Dose't really matter...the french had the shite hammered outta them on both occasions. Interestingly have the French ever been able to win a scrap on their own without having to depend on the intervention of the rest of the world?????
            Waterloo was a very close run thing.... it only turned into a slaughter at the end. Note also that the french won a lot more than they lost in those days, the problem being that when they lost, they lost big.

            Battles of Rivoli, the Nile, Aboukir, Marengo, Ulm, Jarengo, Auerstadt, Austerlitz, etc., etc.

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            • #7
              any recommended reading on the above mentioned?
              Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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              • #8
                For trafalgar how about "Battle at Sea" by John Keegan?
                "Gentlemen, you can’t fight in here...this is the War Room!"

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                • #9
                  Goldie wrote...

                  "The RN is struggling to get a fleet together for this event. The involvment of an Irish vessel in the review represents the hundreds of Irishmen who served with the RN at this time. "


                  Sorry but that's not true......

                  From the navy news....

                  HALF THE FLEET TO PAY TRIBUTE TO NELSON


                  MORE than 50 Royal Navy warships will serve as the core of the fleet reviewed by the Queen this summer as Trafalgar commemorations begin in earnest.

                  Two aircraft carriers – HMS Invincible and Illustrious – and assault ships Ocean, Bulwark and Albion will lead the flotilla of RN vessels assembled for the International Fleet Review on June 28.

                  The review is the curtain-raiser to six days of events in the Solent, including a sound-and-light show, drumhead ceremony for veterans and the International Festival of the Sea.

                  Effectively half the Senior Service Fleet is being assembled at Spithead, joined by another 80 vessels from the world’s navies, and the cream of the merchant fleet, led by the QE2.

                  British warships due to partake at present include: aircraft carriers – Illustrious, Invincible; helicopter carriers – Ocean; amphibious assault ships – Albion, Bulwark; Type 42 destroyers – Exeter, Gloucester, Manchester, Nottingham, Southampton; Type 22 frigates – Campbeltown, Chatham; Type 23 frigates – Grafton, Iron Duke, Lancaster, Marlborough, Montrose, St Albans, Westminster; mine counter-measures vessels – Bangor, Cattistock, Grimsby, Ledbury, Middleton, Pembroke, Ramsey, Shoreham, Walney; fishery patrol vessels – Tyne; survey ships – Endurance (which will serve as the Queen’s platform for the review), Enterprise, Gleaner, Roebuck, Scott; University Royal Navy Unit boats – Archer, Blazer, Example, Explorer, Puncher, Raider, Ranger, Tracker, Trumpeter; Royal Fleet Auxiliaries -– Argus, Fort Austin, Fort George, Fort Victoria, Orangeleaf, Sir Bedivere, Sir Galahad, Sir Tristram, Wave Ruler; strategic sea-lift ships – mv Hurst Point; nuclear submarines – unspecified number.

                  Other confirmed attendants so far include France’s flagship, carrier FS Charles de Gaulle, and Spain’s flat-top SPS Principe de Asturias.

                  The list of ships is subject to change depending on operational commitments around the globe.

                  An equally prestigious gathering follows the review, with an estimated 7,000 Naval veterans expected to converge on Southsea Common for the International Drumhead Ceremony.

                  Remembrance will be the theme of the Wednesday June 29 ceremony held in the shadow of Portsmouth Naval War Memorial.
                  A large visitors’ centre will be opened the preceding day, allowing veterans to meet school children, Sea Cadets, serving personnel and old friends.

                  Maritime veterans wishing to attend the event can apply for a double ticket – if their association branch has not already done so – by calling 023 9282 6722.

                  Discounted tickets are on offer to all service personnel and their immediate families (spouse/partner and children aged five and over – under fives go free).

                  Service personnel (this includes RFA and RNR/RMR) can pick up adult tickets for £14, child/OAP tickets for £7 and a family ticket for £35.

                  The discounted tickets can only be purchased in advance from www.festivalofthesea.co.uk

                  All personnel on duty in Portsmouth for the duration of the festival will get special passes giving free access.

                  Meanwhile, a fortnight before the review, the museum of naval firepower in Gosport, Explosion!, will recreate the art of replenishing a first-rate ship of the line with ammunition during a gunpowder run.

                  A rowing crew from HMS Victory will re-enact the last stage of the gunpowder’s journey. Traditionally, gunpowder was brought from Waltham Abbey in Hertfordshire by road to Priddy’s Hard in Gosport, now home to the museum.

                  The powder was stored in barrels or charge bags and held in the Grand Magazine until required by ships. Then it was rolled down to the water’s edge along a walkway and loaded on to a powder hoy to be ferried to the waiting warship.

                  Naval establishments, sailing and rowing clubs in the Portsmouth/Gosport area are invited to enter teams to race against Victory’s rowers. Details from Bill Sainsbury on 023 9250 5603.

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                  • #10
                    Archer, Blazer, Example, Explorer, Puncher, Raider, Ranger, Tracker, Trumpeter
                    Not ships
                    Argus, Fort Austin, Fort George, Fort Victoria, Orangeleaf, Sir Bedivere, Sir Galahad, Sir Tristram, Wave Ruler
                    Not royal navy
                    mv Hurst Point
                    Not a warship.
                    Endurance (which will serve as the Queen’s platform for the review), Enterprise, Gleaner, Roebuck, Scott;
                    Neither are these,and gleaner isnt even a ship,being
                    the smallest commissioned vessel in the Royal Navy with a ship’s company of 8, 2 officers and 6 ratings.


                    Whats your point again?

                    Its a lot like the Irish Naval service doing a review and calling the Slua's launches,the boat transports and the Boarding ribs part of the fleet. Read any publication other than RN propoganda and you'll see that everyone realises the RN is in crisis,even the RN Boss said so.


                    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                    • #11
                      Quote:
                      Archer, Blazer, Example, Explorer, Puncher, Raider, Ranger, Tracker, Trumpeter
                      ... By the RN's definition they are as they have more than one deck

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                      Argus, Fort Austin, Fort George, Fort Victoria, Orangeleaf, Sir Bedivere, Sir Galahad, Sir Tristram, Wave Ruler

                      Owned by the RN - operated by civvies some also carry a weapon in the form of an ASW Helicopter.

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                      mv Hurst Point

                      I'll give you that

                      Endurance (which will serve as the Queen’s platform for the review), Enterprise, Gleaner, Roebuck, Scott;


                      Neither are these,and gleaner isnt even a ship,being

                      Quote:
                      the smallest commissioned vessel in the Royal Navy with a ship’s company of 8, 2 officers and 6 ratings.


                      Geez Goldie what your definition of a warship? One of the factors that the Argies took into account before they invaded the Falklands was that the previous Endurance was to be withdrawn and they carry a small detachment of marines. Just because it doesn't have a poxy little gun on the front doesnt mean it's not a warship - And I think you'll find that most if not all of the RN's non-armed surface fleet (Including the RFA's ) can be armed very quickly.

                      BTW - Taking your definition of a warship. I still make the count in excess of 30 assuming that there will be at least one submarine present (You do count that as a warship dont you?) Which still isn't a bad turn out.

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                      • #12
                        Look through the Naval reviews of the last century,and ask yourself if its a turnout to be proud of?

                        The RN is in decline. It could not mount an operation similar to the scale of the Falklands today. The first Sea Lord says so.


                        Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                        • #13
                          Actually he's not called the first sea lord anymore......he is now referred to as "the supervisor of the lake"

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                          • #14
                            Goldie, of course, is right as usual, the RN has been in decline for years and is smaller now than at anytime since about 1800, in fact the french navy is now bigger than the RN, and it only has a fraction of the RN's commitments.

                            A lot of funding is being cut from current units so that we can afford the two new carriers which are due in 2012, some people say we are robbing peter to pay paul but as long as we can get a decent fleet in 7-8 years it might be worth waiting for.

                            So for the fleet review the admiralty has been desperately calling up as many ships and units as it can to try and limit the embarrassment.

                            As for whether a vessel is a warship or not, I think if it has HMS in front it is considered a warship, weaponry does'nt really come into it.

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                            • #15
                              The RN is in decline. It could not mount an operation similar to the scale of the Falklands today. The first Sea Lord says so.
                              I can only half agree with this. The 1SL has to cover his back. And if you look Here and he says "If we had to do an operation without the US Navy in that risk period, and without shore-based air cover from the RAF, I may have to tell the Government of the day that the RN cannot do it."

                              But Check here and he changes his tune.

                              ...Ok so he's the big cheese in the RN at present he also has the the unfortunate honour of loosing his ship to Air attack during the Falklands campagn. But he has to support HMG anything else would be seen (Quite rightly) as disloyalty or at the worst extreme - Mutiny! I personally think he's selling the Navy's soul (unneccesarily) for these 2 carriers, As I don't think that this Labour Gov't would want to be likened to Denis Healy's carrier policy in 1966 which some people believe gave the Argentineans the wrong message in the first place!
                              As for mounting another Falklands Campaign sorry Goldie but I cant go along with what you say. In the last little adventure the UK went down the road with (a) an ageing amphib fleet (Fearless/ Intrepid and no Helicopter carrier) we now have a very good Ampib fleet.
                              (B) TLAM - The UK can now attack Land based targets from up to a 1000 miles away from beneath the waves. If that target were port stanley then I doubt if the Argentineans would have the range or effective resources to counter that threat. (c) Up until the date of DISPOSAL of Sea Harrier (2007) the Uk will still have a credible ADF after that (I hope) T45 with PAAMS will start coing into service as hopefully a matter of urgency.
                              Yes the RN is in decline - but look at what we are putting it against - Hardly trafalgar stuff is it?

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