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Snacker
3rd May 2005, 21:08
Whats the story with this?


Is it ever flown??


If so when??

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Laners
3rd May 2005, 22:57
Flown from the top of the main mast by all Irish Naval Ships when in Commission .
The pennant is flown for the first time when the ship has its commissioning cermony to officaly bring it into the Service . The only time the pennant is not flown is when the ship is considered out of commission due to dry docking and anual overhall .
On the occasion of the retirement of some Naval Ships with historical importance a de commissioning Pennant is flown , the lenght of which is determined by the number of years the ship was in service . I believe L E Deirdre flew one when she was retired .

Goldie fish
4th May 2005, 09:40
So when is it really flown?

Laners
4th May 2005, 18:02
So when is it really flown?
24 hours a day when thr ship is in commission .

hptmurphy
4th May 2005, 18:14
As the man says ..all ships in comission at all times...flown at the very top ot the mast....very small and usually tangelled up in everthing else.Before any one goes on a rant its not flown on the halyards.
Also when in decomissioned status the Jack is not flown at the jackstaff..but the national flag is still flown.

Is the decomissioning pennant anything like the Paying off pennant the Royal Navy use?

Laners
4th May 2005, 18:34
As the man says ..all ships in comission at all times...flown at the very top ot the mast....very small and usually tangelled up in everthing else.Before any one goes on a rant its not flown on the halyards.
Also when in decomissioned status the Jack is not flown at the jackstaff..but the national flag is still flown.

Is the decomissioning pennant anything like the Paying off pennant the Royal Navy use?
Yes , I was not sure if it was called decommissioning or /paying off pennant.
I saw a photo of the old Ark Royal when she was being paid off and the pennant went all the way to the stern it was so long .

Laners
4th May 2005, 22:50
Murph I am surprised you never mentioned the Presidental Jack flag .Did you guys fly it on Eithne when you did that Presedental pleasure cruise ? .

Goldie fish
5th May 2005, 04:20
Lads, I'm confused. I have been looking at and photographing naval vessels for many years now and have never seen this flag. The only one I have seen is the second substitute. Can anyone enlighten me? Murf,you have all my ship photos,can you find anything with this flag flying?

Sluggie
5th May 2005, 09:36
Goldie,

The commissioning pennant was, historicly, the most important flag on the warship as it distinguished a man-of-war from an armed merchantman or privateer.

It is very long and VERY slender. It is quite impractical on a modern ship as it is 99% of the time wraped around the various aeriels and wires etc. However traditions die hardest in navies.

You will only get it in a photo if you go out to photograph it. Somtimes it is so worn from friction against the standing rigging that only the butt of it is left flying. You could change it once a week and it would still always look in rag order.

Goldie fish
5th May 2005, 12:39
I know a man who has the decomissioning pennant from one of the sweepers. It is quite long.

I'll have to find that comissioning pennant.

Laners
5th May 2005, 18:34
Ok Goldie , your mission if you choose to accept it , is to get a close up photo of a commissioning pennant on the main mast of a Naval Service ship , but as mentioned in some other post here the pennant is usualy wrapped around the various antenas and looks like a damp rag .
I have gone trough every photo I have to try and find a pic of one visable to no avail .

hptmurphy
5th May 2005, 21:52
the presidential jack is a green thingy and yes itwas flown for paddy hillerys jolly.Its flown at the same halyard as the flag officers...which is a gold star on a blue backround.

hptmurphy
5th May 2005, 22:06
On the Eithne looking at photos and from memory its flown just below the top pair of red mast head lights right at the top of the main mast. its almost invisible because its normally wrapped around something and rarely is seen flying freely...it is there believe me!

Laners
5th May 2005, 22:28
I thought there was also a Presedential Jack flag which was the same as the regular jack except that it has a blue background and flown under the same circumstances as the regular one .
Looks like we may need a Mary around here to help us out .

Laners
5th May 2005, 22:56
I know a man who has the decomissioning pennant from one of the sweepers. It is quite long.

I'll have to find that comissioning pennant.
Then it is probly a Paying Off Pennant which is the same desgine but much longer and usualy the same lenght of the ship, and if it is I dought that it is from one of the sweepers , they where laid up one by one and stripped for spares and <souviners >
I think Banba and Fola went to a breakers yard for scrap and Grainne got towed to Spain to be converted into a floating restaurant.
A ship flies the Paying Off Pennant when arriving in port for the last time, and it has already been decided that the ship is being taken out of service , which was the case with L.E. Deridre , the sweepers on the other hand had a less dignified demise.

hptmurphy
5th May 2005, 23:20
Banba was moved out in 1984. Fola and Grainne both went to the breakers in spain.in 1988 with in a week of each other I've got photos of Fola going...on a rainy sunday morning....check out my page!

Sluggie
5th May 2005, 23:52
As an ex-Mary...

Laners is correct to say that the Presidental flag is the same design as the Jack but on a blue field.

The Commodore's Pennant is a green burgee (swallow-tailed pennant) with a central five pointed star.

Laners
5th May 2005, 23:54
Hard to believe they had any scrap value considering they where wooden hulled ,and the cost to tow them to Spain would make a financial loss for whoever bought them .

Laners
6th May 2005, 00:12
Allthough the bronze anchors and cables and deck fittings would be worth a few quid.
We lost an anchor and a few cables of anchor cable in Kenmare River during a salmon patrol one year, a few days later we went alongside the Dutch salvage vessels in Bantry who where working on the Betleguise tanker wreck, the Dutch fellas asked about our missing anchor and we explained what happened and where, they wanted to head off and retrive the anchor and cable because they knew it was made of bronze and worth a bunch of money .

Laners
6th May 2005, 20:15
Page 123 of Tom McGinty's book , shows an overhead view of Fola and you can make out the Pennant .

hedgehog
6th May 2005, 21:48
are old penants not hung in the Naval Church like our overseas and old unit penants

Laners
7th May 2005, 00:50
The pennants get replaced every few months and are pretty in much in tatters at that time .
I don't recall ever seeing any military flags in the Base Church except during the anual retreat .

Sluggie
9th May 2005, 00:17
Hedgehog. You are confusing the commisioning pennant with the Ship's colours,which are indeed hung in the church in Haulbowline when the ship is decommisioned.

Goldie fish
21st May 2005, 04:12
Ok Goldie , your mission if you choose to accept it , is to get a close up photo of a commissioning pennant on the main mast of a Naval Service ship , but as mentioned in some other post here the pennant is usualy wrapped around the various antenas and looks like a damp rag .
I have gone trough every photo I have to try and find a pic of one visable to no avail .

Mission accomplished.

In the second photo you can barely make it out,compared to the signal flag flying below it(zero?)

hptmurphy
21st May 2005, 11:59
and to all those who doubted the fact it was flown....ha!

Laners
21st May 2005, 18:00
We can all sleep peacfully at night now .