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California Tanker
16th February 2006, 04:51
What's with the black striping down the legs of the riders? I don't recall ever seeing that before.

NTM

Barry
16th February 2006, 13:57
What's with the black striping down the legs of the riders? I don't recall ever seeing that before.

NTM
Those aren't standard DPM trousers and smock/jacket, so I'm gonna guess it's some form of dispatch rider uniform, in DPM. I doubt anybody would be allowed do anything vaguely serious on a bike in normal DPMs, they'd just get in the way, and would offer almost no protection if the rider bites the dust.

Bosco
16th February 2006, 17:04
Could it just be motorcycle gear in DPM???
Murf should know he is a Cav head.

Goldie fish
16th February 2006, 21:31
Thats exactly what it is. Its waterproof and armoured(in motorcycle speak). Same as the gear I usually wear , only in DPM. Not cheap, but worth every penny.
All Motorcyclists are required to wear this protective clothing when operating the motorcycle.

The presidential escort wear a different uniform, but their body armour is worn under their uniform.

Bosco
16th February 2006, 22:07
Thats exactly what it is. Its waterproof and armoured(in motorcycle speak). Same as the gear I usually wear , only in DPM. Not cheap, but worth every penny.
All Motorcyclists are required to wear this protective clothing when operating the motorcycle.

The presidential escort wear a different uniform, but their body armour is worn under their uniform.

I heard tell that the helmet alone is worth serious bucks and the whole ensemble is a few grand????

Goldie fish
16th February 2006, 22:33
Most are now using the Arai Helmet. Retails at about €400 depending on the type.

http://www.araihelmet-europe.com/site/site2/sv.htm

I think the clothing is made by Frank Thomas.

http://www.frank-thomas.co.uk/product/mwp/ftw210.html

Naturally, they are made to order, which is a shame as it makes supply more difficult.

Attached Pics of Military police wearing same.

Itchy
17th February 2006, 10:22
Bikes in a nice shade of army blue aswell...

Are the boots standard issue?

DeV
17th February 2006, 18:04
The Motorcyclist clothing has kevlar inserts, i've "inspected it" close up & the guy to was issued it said it was an excellent piece of kit.

Goldie fish
17th February 2006, 20:02
Its not that type of Kevlar.

This Kevlar's abrasion resistance is where its usefulness lies.

I Don't know about the boots. Offroad boots are no use on road and road boots are no use off road...

yellow oscar
18th February 2006, 21:16
Boots are DAYTONA as issued to GARDAI, Suit made by STADLER, gloves by gericke and helmet as GARDA ARAI. Ex kit very expensive i am told, makes a change when we cound not even get a wet suit never mind a D R suit,Now all we need is motorcycles.

Goldie fish
18th February 2006, 22:24
Hear Hear. Preferably all of the same type.

Victor
25th February 2006, 19:40
Are helmets expected to be worn in combat or just in training / normal operations?

How do the cav expect to use motorbikes in combat / recce?

Goldie fish
25th February 2006, 19:46
Helmets must be worn at all times.

See other thread on Army motorcycles. As for the use of Motorbikes, I suggest you read this months cosantoir, which has an article telling exactly that.

hptmurphy
28th February 2006, 15:52
White helmets only for road use!

Must be the only time I ever saw anybody look at a PA in envy....and the poor little guy is a reservist. Real I wanna be one of them when I grow up shot.

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Why would the wearing of helmets be a problem for recce or in combat if the DR is radio equipped........and sure don't most guys wear helmets under these conditions any way!

The Sultan
28th February 2006, 16:32
wanna sort out that link?

Gunner
2nd March 2006, 00:09
pic in the glen last year

hptmurphy
2nd March 2006, 11:57
Eh thats not the standard helemet...I hope it wasn't being used on the road as it might upset a few PA's...but then again that wouldn't be a first!

Goldie fish
2nd March 2006, 16:41
It could be the standard helmet with a cover...

hptmurphy
2nd March 2006, 20:47
Nope it isn't......

Goldie fish
2nd March 2006, 21:37
Photo of said Helmet.

Goldie fish
4th March 2006, 21:55
Is all the Motorcycle Kit Pooled?

While this is fine for the Jacket and trousers, I would worry about the safety issues with wearing Pooled Helmets. After a while a helmet lining moulds itself to the wearers head. If the Helmet is used by a number of riders, the lining expands to fit all of them. The result is a poor fitting helmet with poor protection for the riders head.

hptmurphy
5th March 2006, 00:47
Well in the reserve it is.
Can't say about the PDF..but I know this to be the case in at least one unit!

strummer
5th March 2006, 01:04
Has anyone here taken any type of motorcycle course in the FCA? Does one exist or must you already have a regular motorcycle license before they'll test you and give you a military one?

Will they take you from total non-bike guy to qualified motorcyclist in one course, similar to Garda bike course?

How does it work?


Later.

Goldie fish
5th March 2006, 02:49
Last years winner of the All Army offroad competition was a reservist. He had been fecking around on bikes since he was a wee pup.

yellow oscar
5th March 2006, 19:21
Basically only 3 Corps units run Motorcycle courses Military police,Cavalry and S&T althougt its a long time since S&T east have run one.As am/c instructor would prefer non drivers to statr as they have no bad habits.The most recent courses in the East were run by 11cav.The syllabus is the same for P D F and R D F and testing by Cav SCHOOL Curragh.Gunner may elaborate more.

hptmurphy
5th March 2006, 23:45
Not being Gunner...but have seen how its done...AF154 is required beforehand...no previous bike expierience required just a willingness to learn.....and a requirement to fit into the gear the Q might have in stores!
Its actually quiet a demanding course and requires a high level of fitness and strenght..a passion for motorbikes and a fairly in depth kmowledge of how they work.
I was at the last DF competition..it looks like fun...but its also a lot of hardship and dedication. Its also one of the very few areas in the DF where the reservist can triumph and come out on top.Even without previous experence.

I've seen the guys put the time in on the roads..on the camps in the class rooms.OK its not a wing thing...but they have to learn it as well from the same syllabus as the reservists.

Its all about getting down and dirty!

Goldie fish
6th March 2006, 05:49
There are few sensations as unique as that of mud in your teeth...

Ex-soldier
6th March 2006, 07:46
OK this may seem a little strange but why would anybody wear a red beret, a high visibility yellow jacket and camoflage pants. My point is that the cammo pants are probably the most expensive item and are a bit stupid considering the bright red beret and bright yellow jacket. Wouldn't they be better off wearing simple black pants??

hptmurphy
6th March 2006, 09:42
There is a riders trainingg kit of a high vis two piece waterproof set which can be worn by students under instruction while on the road.

The high vis jacket thing is not about look...its a safety issue. The trousers are standard issue DR trousers and conforming to some sort of safety standard. And well the cherry berry is applicable to PAs only.

Most corps DRs when engaged in road exerercises are also exepected to wear a high vis jacket of some description if available. But its the body armour side of things that has made the most recent impact on the safety side of motorcycling in the DF.

Gunner
6th March 2006, 19:07
You have it right but include CIS, they have DR's in their establishment and int have a few knocking around Dublin.
The new DR Cse, not yet signed off will have about 205 hrs of tuition, to include Navigation - Off Road - maintaince - Road riding and GPS. All testing is conducted by the Cav Corps the course content is the same, pdf and rdf, but with that amount of hours it sure takes a long time to qualify.Some of the civilian instructors in Dublin claim to take a pure novice from not knowing anything about motorcycling, to being on the road in trafic in 10 hours, and to the test in 50 hrs.

yellow oscar
6th March 2006, 23:55
Sorry for leaving out our Sigs D R s but the last time a res sigs in the east did a m cycle course was in the 70s, No offence to Sigs meant by ommision

Goldie fish
7th March 2006, 00:47
I assume the reason is a logistical one, as their establishment not requiring many DRs would make it difficult to justify them keeping one of the many scarce machines on their inventory, when other units may need it more?