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ODIN
30th June 2006, 12:04
A question on the 97 model, what happened to it?? I saw a 93 last week and it looked very similar to the newer models now being used buy the DF

hptmurphy
30th June 2006, 12:33
Sorry you'll have to explain a little more clearly.

If you are asking what I think..the 89 series was actually out of production..built in spain. the DF wanted a new run of Nissans in about 96..but early models of the GR were available..but at the time the army didn't want this particular variant as it was too expensive. so Nissan in spain carried out another limited production run of the older type especially for the army..

Is that any help?

ODIN
30th June 2006, 12:45
That clears it up. And is actually what I had assumed. Cheers murph

Truck Driver
2nd July 2006, 08:58
A question on the 97 model, what happened to it?? I saw a 93 last week and it looked very similar to the newer models now being used buy the DF

Of course these will be "boarded" next year, having reached 10 yrs service.
Keep an eye out for same at the car auctions up in Dublin, can be picked up cheaply
enough. Goldie, would this solve your issue Re: buying the Pajero...?

Barry
2nd July 2006, 11:47
Goldie, would this solve your issue Re: buying the Pajero...?
Have you been in one of those nissans recently?! Drivers tend to know which nissan is which not by the registration number, but by the number of things that are broken on them.....

Truck Driver
2nd July 2006, 13:05
Have you been in one of those nissans recently?! Drivers tend to know which nissan is which not by the registration number, but by the number of things that are broken on them.....

Certain element of truth in that alright : )

Goldie fish
2nd July 2006, 15:44
I wouldn't touch a boarded army Nissan with a barge pole. The ones approaching boarding are bad enough. I'd like for example when I do get my Pajo, to be able to open the doors occasionally. I was once in an army nissan where the front seat passenger wasn't able to open his door until the passenger behind opened his. The Back doors hinges were painted closed. To attempt opening would bend the bodywork, instead of working the hinge.

My only hope is that replacements appear immediately after the old nissans are boarded.

Truck Driver
3rd July 2006, 14:44
I wouldn't touch a boarded army Nissan with a barge pole. The ones approaching boarding are bad enough. I'd like for example when I do get my Pajo, to be able to open the doors occasionally. I was once in an army nissan where the front seat passenger wasn't able to open his door until the passenger behind opened his. The Back doors hinges were painted closed. To attempt opening would bend the bodywork, instead of working the hinge.

My only hope is that replacements appear immediately after the old nissans are boarded.

Thankfully, I've never seen any THAT bad. As for your latter point, don't hold your breath,especially those on the books of Reserve units (would be mainly talking about Cav, Tpt here..). Speaking of Cav, 31 Cav seem to have a nice clatter of vehicles (was about to detail, but then slapped self on the wrist just in time :rolleyes:)

Barry
3rd July 2006, 15:01
A lot of units don't have any vehicles of their own (other than possibly a transit) and have to requisition MT from their parent PDF unit. Which saves a lot of messing around maintaining vehicles (just fuel them and clean them when you're finished with them, but that means that on the way home from a weekend you might have to go out of your way to find an open POL point), but means you tend to get the worst nissans going

hptmurphy
3rd July 2006, 15:34
well for cross country performance and reliabilty..I know the one I'd pick..I was fortunate to have the same car for three years on the PSOs...and she was a 95 GS. Things are not that bad. The Nissans were a far better buy that any of the earlier land rover products we had..

Truck Driver
4th July 2006, 15:08
A lot of units don't have any vehicles of their own (other than possibly a transit) and have to requisition MT from their parent PDF unit. Which saves a lot of messing around maintaining vehicles (just fuel them and clean them when you're finished with them, but that means that on the way home from a weekend you might have to go out of your way to find an open POL point), but means you tend to get the worst nissans going

Don't know where you're coming from with that, Barry.

Out of hours, the Ord Sgt for the unit in charge of POL for a location, is the person to contact for fuelling.

Of course, note I didn't say anything about trying to find that individual on a weekend...... :biggrin:

All joking aside, the people in your own location are quite good in this regard...

Boomer
16th July 2006, 20:44
been told that Nissan have lost the contract to provide 4x4s to the DF but rather its gone with a French Company name unknown....

andy
16th July 2006, 22:03
similar to what the the french army use ?

Goldie fish
16th July 2006, 22:16
Well the french use the Auverland and some Peugeot thingy...

DeV
16th July 2006, 22:25
As well as ACMAT

Goldie fish
16th July 2006, 22:25
Acmat is not a Jeep. Its a Truck.

andy
16th July 2006, 22:35
i know the have a half decent recce vechicle but i dont think thats in contention...

the Auverland looks mad althogether http://armyreco.ifrance.com/europe/france/exhibition/14_juillet_2004/pictures/auverland_military_parade_14_july_2004_france_02.j pg

http://www.armyrecognition.com/europe/France/Eurosatory/Eurosatory_2004_Pictures_Gallery/pictures/Auverland_A3_ACV_France_Eurosatory_2004_01.jpg

hptmurphy
17th July 2006, 12:02
I'd say we could be talking abot the Peugeot version of The Mercedes G Wagen rather than either the pair posted.

hptmurphy
17th July 2006, 21:43
I would have thought the same....

I never doubted that the army would buy them..just the wisdom behind such a purchase.

Goldie fish
17th July 2006, 22:53
The G Wagen would be nice.

http://www.irishmilitaryonline.com/board/showthread.php?t=8764
http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/Feature_Story/2004/feb04/09/gwagon.jpg

B Inman
19th July 2006, 23:42
Well the french use the Auverland and some Peugeot thingy...


The Peugeot thingy is called a P4 and was used in UNFIL from the mid 80's to the early
90's. It has a good suspension, but lacks power. It is a proper mil spec vehicle, has a 24v dc system throughout, all came with diff lock, low range, 4wd and FFR variants. Some of the vehicles supplied to 59 Irishbatt came with a raised front passenger seat and a mount for a GPMG. They came with detachable canvas/plastic front doors which were always taken off for summer trips and could never be found when winter came.I found it to be very economical when it first arrived in 86 but by 1993 it was on the way out and was being replaced by civilian pattern 4wd ie Toyota.

Goldie fish
20th July 2006, 00:20
Is the P4 not the French built G-Wagen?

B Inman
20th July 2006, 07:22
It is built in France with a Peugeot engine, but the chasis and body are built from Mercedes plans. There is a prominent Peugeot logo on the front. In the Leb some of the Norwegians in Normaint Coy fitted one with a Mercedes badge on bonnet which rumor had it used to pis... off the French.

mutter nutter
20th July 2006, 08:15
ah, Norwegian's and their wacky sense of humour:smile:

Truck Driver
24th July 2006, 14:27
ah, Norwegian's and their wacky sense of humour:smile:

As evidenced by their "Kosovo" song..... HERE (http://my.break.com/Media/Search.aspx?SearchString=kosovo&SearchType=Main&SEARCH1.x=34&SEARCH1.y=12) :biggrin:

Victor
29th July 2006, 02:02
Out of hours, the Ord Sgt for the unit in charge of POL for a location, is the person to contact for fuelling. Of course, note I didn't say anything about trying to find that individual on a weekend...... :biggrin:Rumours of an ND will usually have them found, there and then ... or several weeks later.

spider pig
25th March 2007, 02:18
I was talking to one of my mates in the glorious 2nd bn:rolleyes: and the nissan cropped up in the conversation. He said that the contract is to end soon. If so, who is taking the contract?

hptmurphy
26th March 2007, 20:53
I don't think it has gone out to tender yet as nissan were still delivering up to recently.

Truck Driver
28th March 2007, 22:28
There are rumours circulating that Land Rover are getting the nose back in the door...

The real Jack
28th March 2007, 22:31
What are GOC's driven around in, do they get a Nissan GS? or some staff car? If they get a staff car what type Of car is it?

Goldie fish
28th March 2007, 22:32
Mondeo.

The real Jack
28th March 2007, 22:39
Mondeo.

Not very posh, I imagined a Merc(in green of course!)

ZULU
29th March 2007, 01:46
Landbruiser anyone?

spider pig
29th March 2007, 03:13
Landbruiser anyone?

Thats what i was thinking...saw a garda version and it looked the part

luchi
24th April 2007, 10:26
Thats what i was thinking...saw a garda version and it looked the part

It may look the part but really what are "Traffic Corp", who is supposedly dealing with traffic, that is on the road, doing with a uppie 4x4 that is more suitable for towing your motorboat , jet ski. or even for a farmer to use on dirt roads to check the cattle. The DF and Garda are just using civvy cars painted to suit.

Sorry to disagree so strongly but the old Nissans were work horses. Not the most comfortable but they did the job. New ones and the Land cruisers are much less effective off road mainly because of the lighter transmission and steering gear. Look at the 4x4 web sites and you will see the LC, LR and Nissan that are making it through the tough courses are the old types.

ew, look the part, jobs just dont cut it. They are jus expensive gas guzzling toys.

Goldie fish
24th April 2007, 19:37
The GS Use the Landcruiser because it is highly visible, due to its massiveness, and acts as a useful deterrent.

ZULU
24th April 2007, 20:13
I did a 2 day tour across atlas mountains and part of sahara in Tunisia last year in Landcruiser. Seemed very capable to me.

Goldie fish
24th April 2007, 20:29
How old was it?

spider pig
24th April 2007, 20:59
One of our CQs will not trade his old nissan for one of the new ones, as he said its the best vehicle he has ever had and its on its third time around the clock. He calls it his "Battle Waggon"

luchi
25th April 2007, 01:16
When the land cruser was been tested in donnely's hollow, in the last century, it was chearfully refered to as the "Toyota Roll over". I was in the back of one as it rolled over side ways. No one was hurt but I tell you with no restraints I do not want to do it again.

hptmurphy
25th April 2007, 09:45
"Sorry to disagree so strongly but the old Nissans were work horses. Not the most comfortable but they did the job. New ones and the Land cruisers are much less effective off road mainly because of the lighter transmission and steering gear. Look at the 4x4 web sites and you will see the LC, LR and Nissan that are making it through the tough courses are the old types."

Really have to agree with the man on this this one..he knows his shit!!!!!!

thebig C
25th April 2007, 13:29
How does the Isuzu Trooper compare?

luchi
25th April 2007, 22:13
How does the Isuzu Trooper compare?
That depends weather you are talking about the real ones or the uppie SUVs that you buy here?

Goldie fish
25th April 2007, 22:37
Isuzu don't do a Yuppie SUV.

spider pig
25th April 2007, 22:51
lets go with the range rover.:rolleyes:

It
a)has a lot of space
b)is very powrful
c)its well pimped:wink:
d)its cheap:rolleyes:

Goldie fish
25th April 2007, 22:54
Where does "pimped" come into being a useful feature in a military vehicle?

thebig C
25th April 2007, 23:27
That depends weather you are talking about the real ones or the uppie SUVs that you buy here?

I mean the ones the army has.

luchi
25th April 2007, 23:29
Ah so are you a trooper driver, Goldie fish!!! A little sensitive??

Ok a few short facts about the trooper.
1. Only good for serious off road if it is fitted with leaf spring suspension (that goes for all 4x4s)
2. Diesels are good but turbo cuts in at 2k rpm so you dont hiit power til about 3500 rpm
3. Gear ratio spread from 2-3 is too wide. On a hill you can be screaming in 2nd and labouring in 3rd
4. Limited slip diff prone to sticking. Causing banging from diff after long journey.
5. Eats breaks
6 Generally good reliable vehicle, even with all of the above.

Goldie fish
25th April 2007, 23:39
I am not a trooper driver. Use the search function.

ZULU
26th April 2007, 00:26
How old was it?

Post 1998 model. Couldn't really read the plates. My Arabic isn't up to scratch :biggrin:

Goldie fish
26th April 2007, 08:49
Name generation as the "Old" Nissans then. Useful offroad ability. Not Mums taxi.

thebig C
26th April 2007, 09:11
The VW Touareg is said to be a good off-roader, and it has looks. There's supposed to be a military version coming out next year. Might do for CIT escort, whenever the Patrol GRs come up for replacement.

luchi
26th April 2007, 11:08
I am not a trooper driver. Use the search function.

If you are suggesting that the Trooper could relace the out going Nissan then why not?
But see my remarks oin the land rover thread.

All vehicles are concieved equal. Engineers donot set out dto deliver a crap. But the demand and economics dictate how the vehicle will be built.

The real Jack
13th December 2013, 13:52
134. Deputy Bernard J. Durkan asked the Minister for Defence the extent to which Army road and off-road vehicles continue to be upgraded in order to ensure reliability in the event of emergency; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [53317/13]

135. Deputy Bernard J. Durkan asked the Minister for Defence the extent to which Air Corps aircraft and equipment are regularly replaced and-or upgraded in line with requirements; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [53318/13]

136. Deputy Bernard J. Durkan asked the Minister for Defence the extent to which all Naval Service vessels continue to be improved, upgraded or replaced as necessary to ensure reliability in the event of an emergency; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [53319/13]

Minister for Defence (Deputy Alan Shatter): I propose to take Questions Nos. 134 to 136, inclusive, together.


In the current economic situation, the acquisition of equipment for the Army, Air Corps and Naval Service takes place on a strictly prioritised basis to ensure that the Defence Forces can carry out their roles at home and overseas.

In recent years, a number of vehicle purchases took place which included minibuses, standard patrol vehicles and mid-coaches for troop transportation. The main acquisitions for 2013 were four tractor units, four 4x4 ambulances, four transit crew cabs, one 52 seater coach, five Ford Ranger 4 x 4 vehicles, twenty transit stores vans and a number of fork-lifts and recovery trailers. In addition, funding is provided on a continuous basis for the required maintenance of vehicles in the military transport fleet.

Who are the ford rangers for? DOD range warden people? Probably still a better buy than the Pajeros!

B Inman
13th December 2013, 14:15
[QUOTE=The real Jack;405608]Who are the ford rangers for? QUOTE]

ARW


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_vehicles_of_the_Irish_Army

The real Jack
13th December 2013, 14:20
ARW


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_vehicles_of_the_Irish_Army

Rangers (the 4x4s) are considerably smaller than F350s, ARW purchases wouldn't get mentioned in PQs.

Goldie fish
13th December 2013, 20:12
They could be the fire engine version as used by various Airport Police and Garda traffic units.

DeV
13th December 2013, 20:27
Rangers (the 4x4s) are considerably smaller than F350s, ARW purchases wouldn't get mentioned in PQs.

They would if the question was asked

paul g
14th December 2013, 13:38
Who are the ford rangers for? DOD range warden people? Probably still a better buy than the Pajeros!

The brits have just ordered 104 ford rangers for general utility duties, I' d expect ours to be the same.

RoyalGreenJacket
14th December 2013, 21:06
The brits have just ordered 104 ford rangers for general utility duties, I' d expect ours to be the same.

i highly doubt any of ours will be painted military green.

mostly black or silver for admin (i.e. Recruiting, Rangework and General Utility Vehicle in outstations etc.) and white for security (i.e. MPGS, Perimeter Security etc.) but nothing operational.

these will probably replace the hundreds of Toyota Hilux's we currently have doing the same roles.

only 3 weeks ago we had a fully marked one stolen from outside a soldiers house, and the Police seemed to believe it is destined for the Irish market.

midnight oil
14th December 2013, 21:17
only 3 weeks ago we had a fully marked one stolen from outside a soldiers house,

And therein lies one of the reasons that we do not allow people to take vehicles and other equipment home

Bravo20
14th December 2013, 21:52
And therein lies one of the reasons that we do not allow people to take vehicles and other equipment home

Tell that to the former Cadre staff

midnight oil
14th December 2013, 22:11
Tell that to the former Cadre staff

And you as a commissioned officer turned a blind eye? tut tut :-D

RoyalGreenJacket
14th December 2013, 22:31
And therein lies one of the reasons that we do not allow people to take vehicles and other equipment home

oh - so you believe vehicles are secure inside a barracks? let's not even go there.

it's a stolen 4x4 worth about £16,000 if that - yes it is a loss but not a great one in the grand scheme of things.

it was an authorised journey due to the nature of the tasking the night before and the next day - therefore no disciplinary action was taken.

anyhow, i guess it won't be long before i see a few of these around Aldershot and other garrison towns:

http://www.fordeurope.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Ford-Ranger-XL.jpg

i understand that over 90 x Ford Rangers will be issued to Army Recruiting Teams across the country in full British Army Recruiting livery - to join the 14 x Ford Galaxy's also on order which will be used as Mobile Recruiting Offices (MRO's).