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  • Originally posted by DeV View Post
    that means all arms and a coy gp minimum
    Even better - it means you're talking about a dozen blokes from each Corps. They've probably got more than that off sick with cock rot...

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    • Originally posted by DeV View Post
      Both the RM Commando and RM All Arms Commando Cses spend less than 2 weeks on amphibious warfare including exercises.
      While that is somewhat true, keep in mind that training is to get every man to a level capable of fighting and admining themselves in that environment.

      The commando units then train to operate on a platoon / company / regiment level each year and every year, which is the actual operating quantum at which they will operate. That unit level training is supported and enabled by the existence of Commando Logs Regiment, 539 Assault Squadron and 1 Assault Support Group Royal Marines, which need to be in place to get any unit training (and equipment trials) done. No point having men capable of thriving in an amphibious role but with no way to operate at anything bigger than a platoon.

      You can't just transfer men to a shell hierarchy of "naval infantry" without actually providing the enablers for their capability. May as well just **** a ton of LCVT at 7Bn and ask then to practice taking Howth a few times a year.

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      • Originally posted by DeV View Post
        that means all arms and a coy gp minimum
        You say that like it's an impossibility. If we can have a mechanised infantry unit, why not a naval infantry unit? We can do it like we do everything else in the DF, our own unique way. Cavalry units without enough vehicles for everyone in the unit, Artillery regiments with only enough guns for half the batterys, Transport units without drivers.....etc.
        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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        • Originally posted by DeV View Post
          that means all arms and a coy gp minimum
          That means a reinforced battalion group minimum, including an artillery battery, combat engineers and vehicles.
          If implemented might be the only coherent, functional and deployable unit in the DF since the end of the Emergency.

          However, how about starting with a small-boat trained unit for assault and recce?
          After all, we have an air corps with no aircraft.

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          • Remember the last time we tried to shoe horn Army/Air Corps personnel into a naval vessel and how it turned out .
            Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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            • Originally posted by Laners View Post
              Remember the last time we tried to shoe horn Army/Air Corps personnel into a naval vessel and how it turned out .
              Indeed. There are plenty of men in Navy uniforms who also make fine soldiers, should the fancy take them. Naval first, Infantry second.
              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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              • Originally posted by Laners View Post
                Remember the last time we tried to shoe horn Army/Air Corps personnel into a naval vessel and how it turned out .
                How is it that pretty much every other western Army can operate quite happily on and from Naval vessels, but the Irish somehow can't?

                What's the problem - some genetic issue with seasickness or what?

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                • Originally posted by ropebag View Post
                  How is it that pretty much every other western Army can operate quite happily on and from Naval vessels, but the Irish somehow can't?

                  What's the problem - some genetic issue with seasickness or what?
                  We have and we can. There have been army medics aboard every vessel that went to the med as part of Op Pontus.
                  Problem is the Army and Air Corpse brass are afraid that their people might see the Navy is the place to be and apply to transfer.
                  For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                  • The knights of the sky would never leave the budgie club for a place where there is no chance of knocking off work at the end of the day.
                    As for the army, if they saw themselves hitting the disco in white or tassels they'd have joined the cast of HMS Pinafore from the beginning.

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                    • i recently saw a Air Corps officer in my local Super Value in his flight suit doing his grocery shopping with his wife , so quaint . Must have been on his way home from work . Kind of sums things up .
                      Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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                      • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                        We have and we can. There have been army medics aboard every vessel that went to the med as part of Op Pontus.
                        Problem is the Army and Air Corpse brass are afraid that their people might see the Navy is the place to be and apply to transfer.
                        As a Military exigency every National Force surrounded by water must have a capability to put troops ashore from a waterborne craft. It must be a sustained objective to provide that capability. Such a Force must be able to deploy independently and receive top-ups from it's MRV or continue unsupported until objectives are achieved.

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                        • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                          The USMC is far from a light force
                          No one said it was but you.

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                          • Originally posted by DeV View Post

                            Both the RM Commando and RM All Arms Commando Cses spend less than 2 weeks on amphibious warfare including exercises.
                            If you check the wide availability of Marine courses provided by RM Schools the Landing Craft Coxswains course is 14 weeks and is certified by examine. The Course is for Junior Officers. Training is much longer than you imply as two weeks on amphipious warfare courses is for those already trained in Marine operations. Junior Officers train for 15 months and recruits for close to a year.

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                            • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                              If you check the wide availability of Marine courses provided by RM Schools the Landing Craft Coxswains course is 14 weeks and is certified by examine. The Course is for Junior Officers. Training is much longer than you imply as two weeks on amphipious warfare courses is for those already trained in Marine operations. Junior Officers train for 15 months and recruits for close to a year.
                              Your absolutely correct but of the 32 week RM Commando Course - less than 2 weeks is spent teaching & practicing amphibious warfare TTPs

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                              • I am assuming thereafter when assigned to an operational ship they are exercised frequently in boarding and landing until deemed proficient by ship's and unit's commands. Ship attachment could be as much as 6/9 months depending on circumstances in AOP's

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