So we have gone from frigates, to LPDs, to a Marine Corps!
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Originally posted by DeV View PostSo we have gone from frigates, to LPDs, to a Marine Corps!
In 2000, five EU nations with the capacity for conducting amphibious operations formed an organisation called the European Amphibious Initiative EAI . The initiators were France, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain and the UK.
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Originally posted by DeV View PostThe DF is too small to justify it
You just take, for example, A Coy 2nd Bn and you tell that from now on they are maritime focused - they would spend time as small groups on NS vessels, they would operate the secondary weapons during gunnery exercises, they would do lots of daughter craft and landing exercises and they would focus on both operating within the NS on deployment and acting as the enabling capability for larger Army formations to operate alongside the NS.
A reasonable template might be the Mountain Leader branch of the RM - though you wouldn't need to make the set up so formal - you could have a mix of people serving in it, people who really fancy it and who stay for perhaps a decade, and people who do it on a 3 year tour. You could do the same thing for Mountain/Arctic warfare, desert, jungle - or even things like Anti-tank, or Reece - you know, like you already do...
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It's no more ridiculous or unjustifiable than having a whole corps for transport or having an air defence regiment.
It's a particular skill set and having a company or even a battalion who specialise in marine type action doesn't mean that they need special uniforms or even, necessarily, special equipment. Maybe an extra rhib or three. Also doesn't mean they can't still be infantry and other units can't learn to get out of an rhib.
Where it all breaks down is relevance when no DF units deploy overseas as units... So what would be the point?
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Originally posted by DeV View PostBig difference technically between crewing, maintaining and tactically employing an APC based force (up to Bn minus) and an amphibious light inf coy level force with nothing bigger than RHIBs.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostIgnoring humour, somebody somewhere is putting Army elements on board ship to facilitate a shore action. With an MRV it would be possible and also include some light AV's and other supports to fit the task.
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I think, if the DF can decide, as it did some years ago, to designate one army company "mechanised infantry" then is would be just as easy to designate a similar sized unit "marine infantry".
It isn't such a giant step.
It isn't as if 1 Mech spend all their days tootling around the glen under armour.
Big difference technically between crewing, maintaining and tactically employing an APC based force (up to Bn minus) and an amphibious light inf coy level force with nothing bigger than RHIBs.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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There is a huge difference.
Course to become a competent RHIB Cox'n versus an APC Crewman (plus the required driving courses which are prerequisites), there are approaching months in the difference.
One has completely different TTPs, RHIBs being unarmoured and more vulnerable aren't going to anywhere near a potentially opposed landing.
RHIBs are much less complex to maintain. One has all weather capability, one can operate up to Bn minus level, the other is likely Pln + / Coy -
One capability is used every single day overseas and probably has been since at least 1979.
I'm not against the capability it would be useful, but the designation of a specific unit.... NS cox'n, trained troops (same as now)....
Oh and you realise that probably like most DF coys, the number of free privates for things like exercises is probably section plusLast edited by DeV; 18 October 2017, 07:30.
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Historically Marines were part of the disciplinary cadre aboard ships in the day of press gangs. They boarded and seized enemy ships in battle. Nowadays they carry out military tasks in the Littoral Zone within support range of their ships. They can be as big as an Army like the US Marine Corps and wage theater battle independently. The ability to land from sea or air , is a component of military strategy and can be done on water, by helicopter, by parachute. Anything else for an island nation is cowboys and Indians.
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