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    I said that AC helicopters have done air ambulance to the UK in the past and that's a fact. I know they can't fly in conditions of known icing (FIKI). There have been occasions when the Casas and Learjet were unavailable and injured punters were airlifted directly to the UK, in the 139. I wouldn't care for it myself but needs must...

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    With regard to air ambulance work, have a look at the air ambulance thread.

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    According to the award notice there were 2 tenders received

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    A few interesting nuggets floating around the internet about the PC12; first, a more complete listing of the RFT specs in the one post which DeV provided extracts of in earlier posts

    * http://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php?p=886418

    Looks like our French neighbours are interested in the PC12 aswell, as a replacement/supplement to rotary winged ops, for ISTAR type ops where landing by heli isn't required, and to stand in for heli capabilities that aren't available due to maintenance or insufficient numbers

    * http://www.janes.com/article/77501/f...ter-operations
    * And a translated French article:
    https://translate.google.com/transla...%2F&edit-text=

    There's even a note that they're interested in hanging Hellfire type missiles from it... (Grenade tossed, runs for cover )

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    Quote Originally Posted by meridian View Post
    A few interesting nuggets floating around the internet about the PC12; first, a more complete listing of the RFT specs in the one post which DeV provided extracts of in earlier posts

    * http://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php?p=886418

    Looks like our French neighbours are interested in the PC12 aswell, as a replacement/supplement to rotary winged ops, for ISTAR type ops where landing by heli isn't required, and to stand in for heli capabilities that aren't available due to maintenance or insufficient numbers

    * http://www.janes.com/article/77501/f...ter-operations
    * And a translated French article:
    https://translate.google.com/transla...%2F&edit-text=

    There's even a note that they're interested in hanging Hellfire type missiles from it... (Grenade tossed, runs for cover )
    That’s a screenshot of the specs (which was where I got them)

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    Bit of a difference in spec and price:
    The possible foreign military sale (FMS) of four King Air 350ER Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance (ISR) aircraft has been cleared by the Trump administration to the government of Kuwait. An announcement posted external link by the US State Department’s Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) estimate the sale at $259 million, with the package to include enhanced PT6A-67A engines, AN/AAQ-35 WESCAM MX-15HDi Electro-Optical & Infrared Imaging Sensor Turrets, Selex Seaspray 7500E Active Electronically Scanned Array Radars (AESA), AN/AAR-47 Missile Warning Systems (MWS), AN/ALE-47 Countermeasure Dispenser Systems, as well as other systems, training and support. Furthermore, one of the four aircraft will be further modified to accommodate VIP/senior leadership personnel for transport and Med Evac capability or command and control,and other related elements of logistical support. Sierra Nevada Corp will act as lead contractor on the sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky42 View Post
    Bit of a difference in spec and price:
    gold plated option for an oil rich country. The RAF shadows would appear to be cheaper, but this is also not total program cost. I must admit that I did not expect this to be that high. We could probably push it down a bit by making smart choices

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    Junior Minister for State and DF COS visited Pilatus earlier this week. Nice photo of the PC-12 production line.


    German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

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    Well, Kehoe hasn't a clue, he's just a mouthpiece; Mellett is a sailor by trade and not an aviator; O'Connor is the only one with actual experience of aviation apart from the Swiss heads, so it's one out of three...

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    Is keyhole trying to copy the CoS body language? Hands on hips pelvic thrust stance, and the only two with hands in front pregnant duck stance?

    . In each instance the person takes the Hands-on-Hips pose and this is a universal gesture used to communicate that a person is ready for assertive action. ... Also known as the 'readiness' gesture, that is, the person is ready for assertive action, its basic meaning carries a subtly aggressive attitude everywhere.
    . Hands in front When a person does this gesture, they are exercising some sort of 'self-restraint'. They are symbolically 'clenching' themselves back and withholding a negative reaction, usually anxiety or frustration. The higher the person clenches his hands whilst standing, the more negative he is feeling.
    Last edited by TangoSierra; 14th April 2018 at 08:55.

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    Its just a jump to the left.....
    German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

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    http://cessna.txtav.com/en/turboprop/skycourier

    I understand the BN Defender has done around 20 years IAC service now. If a light utility high wing twin replacement is required the proposed Cessna 408 Skycourier has a lot going for it.

    USD$5.5m with 100 ordered by FedEx to start delivery in 2020. As part of the Textron stable no doubt special missions packages will become available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anzac View Post
    http://cessna.txtav.com/en/turboprop/skycourier

    I understand the BN Defender has done around 20 years IAC service now. If a light utility high wing twin replacement is required the proposed Cessna 408 Skycourier has a lot going for it.

    USD$5.5m with 100 ordered by FedEx to start delivery in 2020. As part of the Textron stable no doubt special missions packages will become available.
    The AC PC12 contract included an option which would replace the Defender

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    Its just a jump to the left.....
    And then a step to the right....

    (I see what you did there! :-). )

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    I thought I would never see the day.



    A big gap until the PC12 arrives. The 172 was a great way to work up flying hours. What is going to tow Drogues now? More importantly who will utter the legendary message "tell that f$$$er I'm towing the drogue, not pushing it!"
    German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    I thought I would never see the day.



    A big gap until the PC12 arrives. The 172 was a great way to work up flying hours. What is going to tow Drogues now? More importantly who will utter the legendary message "tell that f$$$er I'm towing the drogue, not pushing it!"
    I remember standing in the RDS at, I think a jobs fare. With a brand new FR172h on the DF stand complete with the rocket pods attached.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofa View Post
    I remember standing in the RDS at, I think a jobs fare. With a brand new FR172h on the DF stand complete with the rocket pods attached.
    There used to be a "clipped" cessna also, used for charity plane pushes etc.
    Its a funny place in Life to be, seeing the entry into, and withdrawal from service of major assets.
    Saw the Dauphin Come and go. GASU Squirrel same story. S61 was only here a wet weekend, but still...G4. All arrived with great fanfare, all failed to live up to the hype.
    German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofa View Post
    I remember standing in the RDS at, I think a jobs fare. With a brand new FR172h on the DF stand complete with the rocket pods attached.
    I remember as a kid seeing one of them close up at an open day in Gormanstown Camp, and being impressed as it provided “Close air support” for an infantry attack at the end of the day. They must have been pretty new at that stage.
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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    Now, lets see if they will be sold to the public (remember them, the taxpayer?) or scrapped or dumped?

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    Go to a museum?
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    Go to a museum?
    They are pretty much a standard 172, painted green.
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    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

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    They have a more powerful engine, 210 hp compared to 160 hp, but they are otherwise pretty much identical to a civvy 172. There are several identical FR 172 H Reims Rockets already on the civvy register. I was one of those who took the rocket firing circuit out of the aircraft, as far back as 1992 (or thereabouts), when the 37mm rockets were declared obsolete and taken out of service. The only remaining part on all of the Air Corps Cessna fleet that relates to the armament is the airspeed arming switch under the right wing, which was riveted in place and we couldnt get a "basher" to drill out the rivets and allow us to get the little mechanical switch out! Some of them were removed later so essentially, they have been incapable of firing any kind of weapon since the early 90s. They were, as far as I know, the only deliberately armed 172s operated by an Air Arm in the world. Other Cessnas such as the old L-19 and the Cessna A-37 were armed and saw combat extensively, as far back as the Korean war.

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    Probably go on record as having the most rounds expended in their general direction as opposed to expending rounds....
    Time for another break I think......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    Go to a museum?
    One for the AC museum, the rest fit with a remote control system and get some target practice in!
    First one to knock one out of the sky wins an all expenses paid trip to Mali.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    One for the AC museum, the rest fit with a remote control system and get some target practice in!
    First one to knock one out of the sky wins an all expenses paid trip to Mali.
    That could be difficult - everyone must be so used to firing several hundred metres behind them that old habits might be hard to break
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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