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  • Originally posted by Charlie252 View Post
    SIG is a German company
    The warry weapons are made by their German subsidiary SIG sauer
    Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

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    • SIG is Swiss, always has been. Now, if those naughty, warry Germans want to copy the SiG under license and then sell them on to naughty people, who can blame the peace loving Swiss?!

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      • incidentally, when we bought the Steyr, we were the envy of the world and the Steyr was and is a very good weapon. Remember, it got rid of a legion of ancient, worn out FNs, that shook and rattled and were cobbled together from bits of older ones.

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        • Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
          SIG is Swiss, always has been. Now, if those naughty, warry Germans want to copy the SiG under license and then sell them on to naughty people, who can blame the peace loving Swiss?!
          SIG was swiss, to get around the Swiss Export Laws they amalgamated with JP Sauer a German Company, the combined company is Incorporated in Germany.

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          • Sig Sauer is a mostly American entity now, almost all production etc is in the US now...

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            • Did the Mexicans have a run in with the Swiss, suppliers of there PC9s after they used them to shoot at people.?

              Did the Swiss cancel an Mexican order for more PC9s, one of which we bought.?


              Here we are.

              The Minister of State with Responsibility for Defence, Paul Kehoe, has said that his priority was to ensure that the operational capability of the Defence Forces is maintained to the greatest extent possible, so as to enable the Army, Air Corps and Naval Service, to carry out their roles as assigned
              Last edited by sofa; 14 September 2017, 20:20.

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              • Originally posted by sofa View Post
                Did the Swiss cancel an Mexican order for more PC9s, one of which we bought.?
                No it was rumoured we were going to get that one, but I think are replacement was a new build.

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                • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
                  No it was rumoured we were going to get that one, but I think are replacement was a new build.
                  Just edited my 1071 post.

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                  • Pilatus do not advertise their aircraft as armed aircraft as they are a neutral country. What customers do with the aircraft after they are delivered isn't Pilatus's fault, even though they can and do get grief from their government. We armed our PC9's, the Slovenes armed their PC9's, the Austrians, Mexicans, Chad etc armed their PC7's and PC9's. As for other Pilatus users I'm not sure about.

                    The Mexicans ordered two PC9s for evaluation before they ordered the rest of their fleet, which were not used armed. They were found to be "unsuitable" after the US offered Texans to go with their Blackhawks, not unlike New Zealand who were to buy PC9s as well but then got the same offer as the Mexicans. Pilatus did not cancel a Mexican PC9 order as there wasnt one. They crashed one after that and the other is still used as a station "hack".

                    The new IAC PC9 S/N 269 was a new build from the initial airframe built for Jordan, but was cancelled after they changed to the PC-21.

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                    • The US would rather you bought Beech T6s, probably at fire sale prices, to deny the Swiss sales to people the US considers "their" friends. The downside is that the nearest PC-9 user is Australia and the aircraft are essentially incompatible...

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                      • Originally posted by Claudel Hopson View Post
                        They were found to be "unsuitable" after the US offered Texans to go with their Blackhawks, not unlike New Zealand who were to buy PC9s as well but then got the same offer as the Mexicans.
                        Just to clear up a misconception. The RNZAF never were to buy PC-9's. Pilatus like a number of others from industry answered an RFI for a Pilot Training Capability that included not just the airframes but importantly a full spectrum support and training curriculum package, which was the defining characteristic in Hawker Pacific getting the contract.

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                        • Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
                          The US would rather you bought Beech T6s, probably at fire sale prices, to deny the Swiss sales to people the US considers "their" friends. The downside is that the nearest PC-9 user is Australia and the aircraft are essentially incompatible...
                          ... the RAAF last month IOC'ed the Swiss PC-21 into service

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                          • going back to the ISTAR requirement for the Cessna replacement...

                            http://https://www.flightglobal.com/...llance-441135/

                            short version, the RAF is upgrading its existing 5 King Air 350CER/Shadow R1's to R2 standard and buying another 3 KA 350CER airframes at R2 standard.

                            an excellent opportunity for a biggyback buy?

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                            • Originally posted by ropebag View Post
                              going back to the ISTAR requirement for the Cessna replacement...

                              http://https://www.flightglobal.com/...llance-441135/

                              short version, the RAF is upgrading its existing 5 King Air 350CER/Shadow R1's to R2 standard and buying another 3 KA 350CER airframes at R2 standard.

                              an excellent opportunity for a biggyback buy?
                              If you are sure that the rolling out the door price at circa £14 million per unit is fine. You may find that the DSCA transfer policies would get in the way at the US end however.

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                              • Originally posted by Anzac View Post
                                If you are sure that the rolling out the door price at circa £14 million per unit is fine...
                                well, its fine for us...

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