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  • Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    If you saw the willingness of some military individuals to prostrate themselves before even the lowest of Government officials, then you could be fooled into thinking that the sole reason for the Don to exist was to move Ministers on allegedly vital tasks like opening off-licenses. The worst thing about internal MATS flights is that a Merc will always be dispatched from Dublin to carry the Minister from the landing point to his tape-cutting and back again.
    regards
    GttC
    dick spring was famous for this, rumoured to have blown his top if only a fixed wing was available to fly him home as he would have to wait for his car to arrive from Dublin to bring him the rest of the trip.
    The helicopter could of course land at his house, the driver would still have to make the trip, in case he could not be flown back again....


    Ya could'ent make it up.
    Last edited by Turkey; 23 March 2009, 15:47.
    "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
    Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
    Illegitimi non carborundum

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    • Originally posted by Turkey View Post
      dick spring was famous for this, rumoured to have blown his top if only a fixed wing was available to fly him home as he would have to wait for his car to arrive from Dublin to bring him the rest of the trip.
      The helicopter could of course land at his house, the driver would still have to make the trip, in case he could not be flown back again....


      Ya could'ent make it up.
      He was also famous for cribbing about being served steak all the time on the Govt Jet

      socalist spring my arse
      Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
      Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
      The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
      The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
      The best lack all conviction, while the worst
      Are full of passionate intensity.

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      • Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
        Short trips to Dublin airport and back will continue until the Don is brought up to full Cat III status, which is highly unlikely.
        They should do three things, to my mind, to achieve proper utility: shift GASU entirely to the Gardai, totally(there is no good mental, legal or logistical reason not to); shift MATS entirely to DFA; replace the Cessnas with a pair of basic Defenders.
        regards
        GttC
        Won't happen, GASU and MATS are empire building.

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        • Of coursel he never flew in the luxury of the Gulfstream, as it came into use after he moved on. He does however suffer with severe back trouble, and I'm sure the short hop in a cramped aircraft would exaggerate things.

          P.S. His Brother was a Great Rugby Player.


          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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          • OK, before it gets any dafter, it might suprise people to know that the Cessanas replaced the De Havilland Dove[see March in the 2009 Air Corps calender]
            So a Casa or 4 replaceing the Cessanas, and 3 pretty much useless aircrafts is not so silly after all is it?
            "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
            Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
            Illegitimi non carborundum

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            • Originally posted by Turkey View Post
              OK, before it gets any dafter, it might suprise people to know that the Cessanas replaced the De Havilland Dove[see March in the 2009 Air Corps calender]
              So a Casa or 4 replaceing the Cessanas, and 3 pretty much useless aircrafts is not so silly after all is it?
              What exactly are the jobs that need to be done? For example, a CASA is hardly going to be used for top cover on a cash escort. Does no Cessnas mean an end to that task? And as far as I can recall, the current White Paper on Defence says that we don't need military transport aircraft for on-island work - because the army is distributed around the country and the roads are ok and the island's not that big anyway - so CASAs would only be required for international transport and/or deployment overseas. So who, when, where, how often? Would a secondhand midsize airliner be more useful, for example, for deploying/rotating troops overseas, and bringing people to EU battlegroup exercises? (The New Zealanders bought a couple of secondhand Boeing 757s.)

              Just a few thoughts....

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              • To be honest I am not sure where to take this , but I would see replaceing a batch of aircrafts, some which serve no real purpose like the GIV and the Lear jet, and some of the Cessana functions with an aircraft that can have a bigger role, the rest of the Cessana functions I would replace with more Helicopters , possable the EC135.
                The end result would be more capablity with less types, [a step to Eden for the bean counters].
                Last edited by Turkey; 23 March 2009, 23:13.
                "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
                Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
                Illegitimi non carborundum

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                • Originally posted by paul g View Post
                  Won't happen, GASU and MATS are empire building.


                  True, They also increase the hours on the log books for when the pilots leave, Which is the stated aim of the OC according to a interview he give in a issue of Fly Ireland. So whats right for the Air Corps may not suite the C.Vs of fellow gentlemen moving on to better things.

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                  • Defenders or Islanders, Or better yet, These yokes.



                    PZL M28


                    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                    • That'd do......give the Rangers one for jumping out of.Cheap as chips(comparatively), land anywhere, easy to ferry to foreign hotspots,etc,etc...........the Doves were replaced because they were so knackered, people were refusing to fly in them, especially over the sea........I remember telling a life-long Labour supporter, who adored Spring, Dick, that he was a frequent user of the Govt jet,etc,etc. Guy practically had a coronary, to hear that his idol had feet of clay
                      regards
                      GttC

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                      • Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                        Defenders or Islanders, Or better yet, These yokes.



                        PZL M28
                        Spot the IAC PC-9 in the background

                        Possibly daft question, but as regards jumping out of that one...

                        The rear door looks close to that tail - would it be a danger?
                        Last edited by pym; 24 March 2009, 00:17.

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                        • I'm not an expert, but don't they have a rear ramp to jump out off

                          Should we not looking at an aircraft that can carry the minister and his merc.

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                          • Originally posted by Turkey View Post
                            OK, before it gets any dafter, it might suprise people to know that the Cessanas replaced the De Havilland Dove[see March in the 2009 Air Corps calender]:confused:
                            Well it would surprise me!
                            Tony K

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                            • Originally posted by Tony Kearns View Post
                              Well it would surprise me!
                              Tony K
                              Tony, have you a story about this please , 'cause I would really like the definitive version.
                              "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
                              Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
                              Illegitimi non carborundum

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                              • Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                                Defenders or Islanders, Or better yet, These yokes.



                                PZL M28
                                I dont know if its been posted here yet, but the Americans have bought a batch of these for special forces work, i.e. Iraq and Afghanistan.

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