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    Quote Originally Posted by Graylion View Post
    Yes, But I also suggested, not buying the 295s. And what will happen with singe engine birds is that they will be unusable due not being able to fly over water. 15M€ straight down the drain.
    Which in an Irish context means that the 295 can do maritime patrols and heavier transport tasks while the easier andcheaper to own, operate and maintain PC12 can do the ATCP, army support (home and overseas), utility etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graylion View Post
    And what will happen with singe engine birds is that they will be unusable due not being able to fly over water. 15M€ straight down the drain.
    The PC-12 is SEIFR certified in the US, CAN, NZ and Australia for over-water operations. They fly over water on numerous scheduled flights and by the Australian Royal Flying Doctor Service on Medvac flights. The RFDS have even flown trans-tasman in PC-12's. There has only been one ditching in 6 million service hours of the PC-12 in service back in 2001 in the Sea of Okhotsk. All survived.

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    So what. So is every other turbine single, since they made the first one. The engine doesn't know it's over water but as C252 will tell you, the OEI performance is a bit of an attention getter. The Air Corps used to do a lot of single engine over water/over rough terrain in the Alouette until they had their fill of scares and near misses. It really doesn't matter if it's a PC -12 or a Caravan or any other hull, the PT6 is the common denominator and while it is infinitely reliable, having only one increases the odds of a prang and the last thing the Don wants is to lose an aircraft over water or rough terrain because it's only engine fails to a bird strike or icing or an exceedance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anzac View Post
    The PC-12 is SEIFR certified in the US, CAN, NZ and Australia for over-water operations. They fly over water on numerous scheduled flights and by the Australian Royal Flying Doctor Service on Medvac flights. The RFDS have even flown trans-tasman in PC-12's. There has only been one ditching in 6 million service hours of the PC-12 in service back in 2001 in the Sea of Okhotsk. All survived.
    I am absolutely willing to put up with a bit of "we know better than you silly Paddys " from some quarters, but anyone who is a choirboy for an aircraft that should never be deemed suitable for operation away from any landmass raises suspicions of the timing of their arrival here on IMO.
    Bear in mind that 5999999 of those supposed 6m hours were accomplished by sensible operators that didn't go near a coastline with their aircraft or their pax in that timeframe.
    Last edited by Jetjock; 4th October 2017 at 02:05.

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    Which one? The one who joined in April promoting the PC12?
    Or those promoting the Avanti....
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    Ah lads, play the ball not the man, put the tin foil hats away.
    "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
    "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetjock View Post
    I am absolutely willing to put up with a bit of "we know better than you silly Paddys " from some quarters, but anyone who is a choirboy for an aircraft that should never be deemed suitable for operation away from any landmass raises suspicions of the timing of their arrival here on IMO.
    Bear in mind that 5999999 of those supposed 6m hours were accomplished by sensible operators that didn't go near a coastline with their aircraft or their pax in that timeframe.
    If you thought for one minute that I have expressed such an attitude as been anti-irish and anti the air corps you are well mistaken. Neither am I promoting the PC-12 or work for Pilatus if you are inferring that. I have just pointing out one or two facts on the aircraft and not once have been disrespectful.

    The RFDS and Sounds Air are indeed sensible operators.

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    Handbags down ladies....
    "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
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    Pilatus it is so, remember you saw it here first folks:

    https://twitter.com/IrishAirCorps/st...49660259885056
    "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
    "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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    Sweet, great to see an aircraft has been selected at last! Looking forward to the details of the contract, from the Twitter post, it looks like we'll find that out later today. Will definitely be an upgrade from a -172, but respect to them and those that have flown them in 45 years!

    P.S. How about fitting some of the Matra rocket pods from the -172s to the PC-12s?

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    How long ago did we call It? It was a certainty once the full tender was released.

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    yep, a coronation, not a competition.

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    excellent

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    Exciting day for @IrishAirCorps delighted to sign €32m contract for three new fixed wing utility aircraft. Government will continue investment in @defenceforces in 2018.
    https://twitter.com/campaign4kehoe/s...39815335387138

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    So it looks like it is the full PC12NG Spectre with a support package for the €32m.

    Very interesting tail number 333

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    5m per airframe, so 15m, leaves 17m for fit outs.
    "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
    "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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    Quote Originally Posted by morpheus View Post
    5m per airframe, so 15m, leaves 17m for fit outs.
    €32m also includes spares, training and ground equipment

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    We could have got a fourth one with the money RTE wasted in the high court today..

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    So it looks like it is the full PC12NG Spectre with a support package for the €32m.

    Very interesting tail number 333
    Not unless we get about 40 more aircraft in the meantime. I think we are still in the 270s.
    Great news, finally bringing the Air Corps 100% in to the turbine age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    Not unless we get about 40 more aircraft in the meantime. I think we are still in the 270s.
    Great news, finally bringing the Air Corps 100% in to the turbine age.
    Weren't numbers 290-329 used for the F-18E's in Abbeyshr.......

    *connection lost*

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    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
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    Everyone knows there was never any Irish F-18 squadron based in that place and there is no point in anyone going there to check out the state of the art hangars that were built there to house them either.
    Because they arent there, and never were and there is no point in visiting the Airbase. And definitely not in a helicopter....or you will be shot down while attempting to land.
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    Hate to say I told you do, I feel an opportunity was lost here, but at least it's done..
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    I wish them the best of luck with the new aircraft....now let's see what happens the 172s (a) scrapped (b) sold to Irish taxpayers (c) sold abroad?

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    I know you are best qualified to answer here if i am inorrect but is it true that years of target towing did serious damage to the Cessna airframe? That this put an end to their use as parachute ferry craft and will seriously restrict their post military use sale without a total rebuild?
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