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    RWS only. As already fitted to the Mowag.


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    The tender calls for both RWS and a mount similar to that shown above.

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    Yes, but in front of where an RWS would be fitted..

    Very specific.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    3.ARMAMENT

    a. Remote Weapons System
    (1)The standard and ISR variants must be fitted to accept and operate a Remote Weapons System, inclusive of wiring, mount and ancillary equipment.
    (2)The standard and ISR variants must be fitted with a hatch to permit crew access to the RWS, located to the rear of the mount for the RWS. The hatch must be fitted with a ring capable of rotating through 360°, fitted with a traverse lock. This hatch is also required on the STA and Comms. Variant.
    (3)The Remote Weapons System must be the Kongsberg Protector M151 RWS in service with the Defence Forces and will be provided as Government Furnished Equipment (GFE).

    b. Pintle Mount
    The hatch/ring specified in para 3.a. (2) must be capable of being fitted with a Pintle mount on all vehicle variants. The pintle mount must not interfere with the fitting of a Remote Weapons Station. The pintle mount must be of proven design with wide proliferation, in service and not a prototype:

    (1) Which must be fitted with a standard 7.62mm cradle including ammunition box holder and frontal protection ballistic shield.
    (2) Which must be supplied and fitted with a 7.62 mm MG.
    (3) Which must be accessible from a vehicle hatch. Location of pintle must take account of hatch location(s) and ease of use.
    (4) Weapon must be a current Defence Forces service weapon.

    c. Smoke Dischargers
    The vehicle must be capable of being fitted with smoke dischargers (66mm).
    The dischargers should not interfere with the fitting of a Remote Weapons
    Station. The dischargers must be of proven design with wide proliferation, in
    service and not a prototype.

    Here we are. Pintle mount MAG type only.


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    I wonder how long it will take to get these vehicles operational once the first units arrive.
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    how long did the piranhas take? Remember, the doctrine is already written, the weapon is already in use.


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    I can't believe nobody has posted a photo of those vehicles on the internet yet.


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    Very Soon.....

    Defence Forces Equipment.

    96. Deputy Ruairí Quinn asked the Minister for Defence if it is intended to proceed with the acquisition of new light tactical armoured vehicles for the Defence Forces; when these are expected to be acquired; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [42770/08]

    Minister for Defence (Deputy Willie O’Dea): A tender competition is well advanced for the acquisition of Light Tactical Armoured Vehicles for the Defence Forces. The intention is that the LTAV will complement the Mowag Armoured Personnel Carriers (APCs) in the conduct of conventional and Peace Support Operations and will fill a gap that exists between soft-skinned vehicles and the Mowags.

    The acquisition of Light Tactical Vehicles is regarded as a priority by the Defence Forces given the nature of their roles on overseas Peace Support Missions, the threat from improvised explosive devices and the potential for hostile fire in certain threat environments. As Deputies will appreciate, force protection is a key issue in overseas peace support operations. Taking account of recent operational experience of overseas contingents, it is important that any potential gaps identified are addressed as a matter of urgency so as the State can discharge its duty of care to deployed troops.

    The proposal is to acquire an initial twenty-seven vehicles (17 for overseas missions and 10 at home for training). The tender competition will allow for the option to acquire up to another twenty-seven vehicles over the next few years to meet any further requirements, depending on the threat faced by the Defence Forces in operational deployments. There is a sum of €6m in this year’s Estimates provision as a down payment on an LTAV contract. The results of the tender competition will dictate the overall cost of the project. Three vehicles were selected to go forward to the trials stage of the tender competition. They were the RG 32M from BAE Systems, the LMV from Iveco Defence Vehicles and the Eagle 4 from Mowag. Trials were conducted on a standard vehicle from each company.

    It is my intention to have a contract for the acquisition of the LTAVs in place shortly. As I mentioned already, the acquisition is seen as a top priority for the Defence Forces and the cost of the programme will be covered over a number of years taking into account the current economic conditions. The purchase of the vehicles is in line with the commitment given in the Programme for Government to continue investment in the most modern of equipment for Defence Forces personnel and the obligations of the State to provide appropriate support and force protection assets to deployed personnel.


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    Quote Originally Posted by easyrider View Post
    Can't be the Mowag, that would be too confusing: what would it be known as? Mowag Lite? Mowag Junior? Baby Mowag?
    I wonder what it says about Irish procurement policies that the country buys few enough pieces of equipment from various manufacturers that they are identified by manufacturer and not model? FN, Steyr, Browning, Panhard, Ford, Nissan etc..

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    Quote Originally Posted by California Tanker View Post
    I wonder what it says about Irish procurement policies that the country buys few enough pieces of equipment from various manufacturers that they are identified by manufacturer and not model? FN, Steyr, Browning, Panhard, Ford, Nissan etc..

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    Or it could be that Irish people either nickname most things or just use a generalised name for it, we've never been German about officialised names.:wink:
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    Muahaha... Thread hijack completed.

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    And the winner is...........



    South African firm wins Irish Army vehicle contract


    By Don Lavery


    Sunday December 14 2008

    A fleet of South African-designed armoured vehicles is to protect Irish troops on dangerous peace missions abroad from the threat of attack by improvised bombs, gunfire and mines.

    BAE Systems South Africa has won a contract to equip the Defence Forces with an initial fleet of 27 RG-32M 4x4 vehicles, after a tough evaluation of three designs which saw them compete in two-month field trials in the Curragh and the Glen of Imaal ranges.

    The South African firm beat off competition from Mowag of Switzerland, with their Eagle IV, and the Iveco Panther of Italy, recently adopted by the British Army.

    The new vehicles, called light tactical armoured vehicles, are being bought for €19.6m for an initial 27 vehicles, with an option to buy a similar number.

    Although they had been sought as long ago as 2000, the lack of such a vehicle was highlighted in the Lebanon earlier this year, when two Irish soldiers had a lucky escape after their unarmoured vehicle was caught in a blast from a roadside bomb.

    The new vehicles will operate alongside the 80-strong fleet of Mowag armoured personnel carriers, many of which are in used in Chad and Kosovo by Irish units. The RG-32M, described as a "mine-hardened patrol vehicle", is used by several armies.

    The Irish vehicles will be used for a variety of roles, including transporting the Javelin anti-armour missile, surveillance, communications and target acquisition. They will be armed with a remotely operated turret with a .5 heavy machinegun or a 40mm automatic grenade launcher.

    The vehicles will be delivered over a three-year period, beginning in 2009. Defence Minister Willie O'Dea said: "Force protection remains a key issue in overseas peace support operations and it is very important that vehicles such as these are made available to our personnel."

    It's not the first time South Africa has won Defence contracts here -- in the last decade, it modernised the Army's fleet of Panhard armoured cars, and supplied 60mm Vektor mortars.

    - Don Lavery

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    Either Iveco or Eagle have parts commonality with other DF vehicles,

    for that reason i'll say RG32
    YAY!

    In slightly related news, I hear 2 of the marines killed on friday in Afghanistan were travelling in a Jackal at the time.

    Hopefully delivery and acceptance of the RG 32 will be quick and painless. But where was the official announcement made?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    But where was the official announcement made?
    Lavery Lane?



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    I wonder whether they'll go for the same engine as the Swedes for compatibility purposes

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    New Irish DF LTAV's

    i tink dats a fantastic peace of kit right there guys.im in love with the new irish LTAV,its just super duper
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    RG32M Steyr engine is also available as an upgrade for the Scorpion......

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    They will be armed with a remotely operated turret with a .5 heavy machinegun or a 40mm automatic grenade launcher.
    Does the 40mm turret have an MG - grenades might be a bit much for some work.
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    No. Its one or the other.

    Presumably, you could mount your MAG on the RING to give some flexibility, but I expect cars would be paired up.
    Last edited by Goldie fish; 15th December 2008 at 14:41.


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    is there any pictures of the interior

    does it have a stereo and is there a device for hanging your coat

    in all seriousness - is there interior pics
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    Only one I can find, for now.


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    I presume that all the problems the Swedes have encountered(74 in total, most seriously dodgy ABS and pipes that burst during the Scandinavian winter) have been addressed and found to be not likely to occur with our order. The Swedish vehicles have only recently been put back into service after a roll over(one of four accidents) led to their withdrawal late last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pym View Post
    I wonder whether they'll go for the same engine as the Swedes for compatibility purposes
    They will if its the cheapest option.
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    Looks like the default engine in the RG-32 is the Steyr unit, so one can only assume that it will feature in any future Irish purchases.

    Would be interesting to see what kind of deal could be done for some form of re-engining job and new FCS for the Scorpions. If the army want to keep them, it's long overdue.

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