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    Looks RG31 ish.

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    Anyone no anything about this Iveco? specifications I mean

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    Thats the MLV the British Army are using.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    Thats the MLV the British Army are using.
    As I understand it the unit cost on the British FCLVs is going to be somewhere in excess of £1m.

    That could be due to do dodgy defence offsets and additional fit outs though.
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    if you have ever seen a humvee you know how big the couger is by this
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    light, medium or heavy?

    Further to the suggestion that vehicles under consideration should be separated into different categories, because there is such a variety on the market, the Bundeswehr were looking for wheeled armoured vehicles in three weight categories: (i) maximum 5 tonnes; (ii) 5 - 10 tonnes; and (iii) 10 - 13 tonnes. Would it be helpful to group LTAV candidates as either 'light', 'medium', or 'heavy', using these limits?

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    light compared to what...

    Quote Originally Posted by kermit View Post
    What does the L in LTAV mean?
    I was waiting for someone to say that... Look back through this thread and its predecessor and you'll see vehicles that range from 3.5t to >20t. The USMC and the Australians call their versions of the Piranha LAVs. Unfortunately, these terms are not well-defined...

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    likely contenders

    Information on quite a few of the likely contenders:

    http://www.deagel.com/Tactical-Vehicles.htm

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    The cougar looks as if it would be akward to get in and out of...i mean it a fairly high vehicle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Come-quickly View Post

    I have been firmly corrected by non walts that the roll down armoured window is strictly for rappers.

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    The US army had role down windows in Somalia and it was said that it made the vehicle more vulnerable to small arms fire beacause of the gap in the door for the window to go into.
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    That was to shoot back aswell tripper

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    Quote Originally Posted by kermit View Post
    What does the L in LTAV mean?
    I always thought it was light

    as in Ligth tactical armoured vehicle

    But I could be very wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by hedgehog View Post
    I always thought it was light

    as in Ligth tactical armoured vehicle

    But I could be very wrong
    i think it was a rhetorical question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eelmonster View Post
    i think it was a rhetorical question.
    shite it was at that

    SOrry Kermit for jumping the gun

    I was actually dead chuffed with my self that I actually knew something

    in these how long / what calibre/ how thick is the armour etc type

    threads,
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
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    Quote Originally Posted by hedgehog View Post
    I was actually dead chuffed with my self that I actually knew something

    in these how long / what calibre/ how thick is the armour etc type

    threads,
    haha. i thought the exact same thing when i saw it first too.
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    Cannon in front of them
    Volley'd and thunder'd;
    Storm'd at with shot and shell,
    Boldly they rode and well,
    Into the jaws of Death,
    Into the mouth of Hell
    Rode the six hundred.

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    hearts and minds

    Quote Originally Posted by Docman View Post
    I suppose, if you want to meet & greet, you can always open the door....
    ... or the roof hatch..



    Portuguese Panhard M-11 (VBL) in Kosovo.

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    Was doing a bit of zipping around the interweb and came across this.

    The Panhard A4 AVL http://www.panhard.fr/anglais/A4avl/CTA4.htm


    and the A5 AVXL. http://www.panhard.fr/anglais/A5/CTA5.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by carrington View Post
    ... or the roof hatch..
    Yes, up well above eye level, wearing a big vehicle helmet, and with a machine gun in front of you. A great way to win hearts and minds! Not to mention being a nice big target for a sniper.

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    don't hit me with them negative waves, man..

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Yes, up well above eye level, wearing a big vehicle helmet, and with a machine gun in front of you. A great way to win hearts and minds! Not to mention being a nice big target for a sniper.
    Ah now, it's easy to be critical... (I should know)

    As you get older you learn that life is about compromises, picking the best out of a selection of imperfect alternatives, getting the balance right... Take the case of an LTAV on a peacekeeping/peace enforcement mission, for example. You want a show of force, to deter the bad guys and provide security for the community, but you don't want to imtimidate ordinary people or provoke them into siding with the enemy. You want your troops to be as secure as possible too, but you also want positive interaction with the local people, both to win their support for your mission and to pick up some intelligence.

    As you can see from some of the earlier posts in this thread, there was a discussion about whether or not the LTAV should have openable windows. One of the advantages of being able to open the window was said to be that you could interact with the 'natives' (not sure if that's a politically correct term..). However apparently this is not feasible with an armoured vehicle and thick bulletproof windows. Someone remarked that you could always meet and greet by opening the door of the vehicle. The roof hatch is another, possibly more secure option.

    Don't people expect soldiers to wear helmets and have guns? And snipers will always be a risk, unless you're buttoned up in an MBT the whole time.

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    The troops could always dismount and have a proper chat with the locals?

    Would having a wind-down armoured window not increase the armour protection of the actual door?

    Seriously though, armour is heavy. The Dingo has hydraulic assisted doors which apparently are prone to breakage. Not sure if this problem has been fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Would having a wind-down armoured window not increase the armour protection of the actual door?
    And leave a big open hole where it once was!!

    It complicates every thing. Hydraulic hoses going into doors. You lose seal if deflected by bullet strike. Not to mention increasing the price, maintenance and chances of it breaking half way down

    Can we just all forget about the roll down windows. Otherwise it will develop into whether the LTAV should be a convertible

    Just look at every vehicle posted on this page. See NO ROLL DOWN WINDOWS!
    Last edited by ZULU; 23rd April 2007 at 22:10.

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    Vision blocks for everyone. Or that hatch in the side like the M3 had...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fintan View Post
    That was to shoot back aswell tripper
    I do realise that. But it still proves that you are minimising your balistic protection. the round were coming through the door before any windows were put down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mugs View Post
    Was doing a bit of zipping around the interweb and came across this.

    The Panhard A4 AVL http://www.panhard.fr/anglais/A4avl/CTA4.htm


    and the A5 AVXL. http://www.panhard.fr/anglais/A5/CTA5.htm
    For a french vehicle that is f..ugly!
    lools like 60's gun truck

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    Talking

    I agree. We would become known as the guys that drive the ugly trucks.
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