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    Potential Officers Course (CFR)

    I was just wondering what is everyone's stance on the 9th potential officers course which is going to be commencing in June I think.Do you agree with commissioning from ranks?
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    great idea, most professional army's do it, why shouldn't we do it?!! also successful candidates will maily be employed in staff appointments, i.e Int, Ops, Adjt etc so that frees up other officers for exercises, overseas etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirov View Post
    I was just wondering what is everyone's stance on the 9th potential officers course which is going to be commencing in June I think.Do you agree with commissioning from ranks?

    No us working class people should be aware of our position in life and be thankful

    that they allow us to look after them

    seriously

    its long overdue but the authorities with the help of both representative organistations

    and a parting gesture for the duke of shite J Sreenan

    made a bollox of it


    best of luck to all who apply and get in there and do us all proud
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    is this for the pdf?
    what are the details of the course can anyone tell me.
    good luck to all who go for it.
    promoting from the ranks is an excellent idea. dont see why they should be limited to staff positions though, perhaps some-one can inform me why
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    speculation..

    Quote Originally Posted by womble View Post
    is this for the pdf?
    what are the details of the course can anyone tell me.
    good luck to all who go for it.
    promoting from the ranks is an excellent idea. dont see why they should be limited to staff positions though, perhaps some-one can inform me why

    Guessing...

    Age? People promoted from the ranks would usually have years of experience in the ranks before becoming an officer, so maybe they would be considered less capable of doing all that running and jumping and crawling around infantry-type stuff?

    Experience? Positive corollary of above: they would have experience of working at platoon, company, battalion levels, and therefore would be more competent at these staff jobs than a junior commissioned officer.

    Status? Command appointments at Lt./Capt. level considered more desirable than staff appointments?

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    Comissioning from the ranks is a great idea.

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    There are many enlisted personnel who have Batchelors and Masters degrees including Engineering and IT, why is there not a competition to commission these guys from the ranks?

    Most of those men and women educated themselves at their own expense in their own time.

    It would mean an even shorter saluting course too!

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    interesting to watch how fast some die hard NCO's can get there big I'm an officer head and forget where they came from. Obviously not all but a few really do go for it.

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    You find its more prevailant in those who went straight from Cpl to Lt. Those who managed to participate in a standard NCO course, and operated as a Sgt(or equivalent), have a better grasp of the bigger picture.

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    thats human nature and you cant diss the programme

    just because a few clwons forget there roots
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    I saw the criteria this morning in my Ord Room..Best of Luck to who ever applies for it...

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    Best of luck to anyone applying for the course, is a potential officers course run separately to the Cadets or will there be much of an overlap? Begs the question though dont we already have to many officers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lefty View Post
    Best of luck to anyone applying for the course, is a potential officers course run separately to the Cadets or will there be much of an overlap? Begs the question though dont we already have to many officers?
    Seperate

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    Will they go to college then aswell?
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    but rather to skid in sideways, Champagne in one hand - strawberries in the other,
    body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming........................
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    Quote:
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    Seperate

    Incorrect. There is quite an overlap.
    So, can either of you provide any further details without telling secrets?

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    It is a 45 weeks course (not just a "how to salute like an officer" course) in the Military College.

    JNCOs (Corporals/Sergeants) must be aged 29 to 42.
    SNCOs must be aged 29 to 48.

    Must have conduct rating of "Exemplary".
    Recommended by Unit CO & GOC.
    NS personnel will be transferred to Army.

    Must have completed fitness test either:
    TI 2/2000 (Revised 2002) Parts 1-3, Grade 3, or
    TI 5/2007 Parts 1-3, Grade 3

    Education:
    Min 5 Grade Ds (Higher or Ordinary) in Leaving Certificate

    JNCOs will be commissioned as 2/Lt and promoted to Lieutenant (max point on pay scale)the following day.

    SNCOs will be commissioned as 2/Lt and promoted to acting Captain (max point on pay scale) the following day. SNCOs will have a discrete career stream, if qualified, they can be promoted to Commandant after 10 years as a Captain (on a personal to the holder basis).

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    Cheers DeV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Must have completed fitness test either:
    TI 2/2000 (Revised 2002) Parts 1-3, Grade 3, or
    TI 5/2007 Parts 1-3, Grade 3
    What is the difference between TI 2/2000 (revised 2002) and TI 5/2007 ?

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    is it the new sit ups
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    That's what I thought it might be. Does that mean that you have a choice between doing the new or the old sit ups?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo20 View Post
    That's what I thought it might be. Does that mean that you have a choice between doing the new or the old sit ups?
    yes you can either do them or

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirov View Post
    I was just wondering what is everyone's stance on the 9th potential officers course which is going to be commencing in June I think.Do you agree with commissioning from ranks?
    We had a CO once that was an officer promoted from the ranks

    Yes I do mean PDF Cmdt.

    I believe that all officers come from the cadets then at some point the officer corp becomes so removed from the men that decisions start been made without any real insight of the mechanics of the army.
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    Bump

    This came up in another thread.

    One of the best COs I had was CFR, many didn't seem to like him but I think he was great

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Pushing the educational requirement upto Level 7 at a time in the organisation when most Cpls now have a Level 6 to their name.

    Not very hard to see what's being done there.

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