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  • #91
    The question is... who advised him? DFHQ or NHQ? Seems to me like the Army want to keep this overseas lark to themselves.


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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    • #92
      IMHO the NS are well capable of doing the job.All the skills required are there.

      They have worked at all the roles required in this area for years and have perfected it to such a degree that they should be prime candidates for such a mission.

      The logistical situation to a degree is not to unlike being able to do a three weeker away from Haulbowline..so big mystery there.

      Ships have the endurance and if other people such as the ARW wanted to hone certain skills with this type of operation they are not adverse or unfamilar with working with the NS.

      So now...if there were to be a mandate presented to the government on the issue..why not?

      The only slight problem I see and looking at the big picture of having ships so far away from home , reducing assets in home waters, do the NS want such a tasking?

      Does the age of the older PVs stop the newer ships being deployed away from home for long periods in case of unforseen problems.

      Not questioning the reliabilty of the PVs just considering some factors that might be holding the higher ups in the NS from selling the case.

      If the OPV replacements were to come on line as planned within the next couple of years and the overall age profile of the fleet reduced would the NS be in a better position to offer itself for such missions?

      Certainly worth thinking about.
      Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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      • #93
        Perhaps it would, strictly speaking, be possible, however, would leave the NS spread too thinly?
        Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
        Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
        Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
        Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

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        • #94
          Perhaps it would, strictly speaking, be possible, however, would leave the NS spread too thinly?
          My sentiments exactly and wondering if the higher ups in the NS have the same reservatyions.
          Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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          • #95
            Pirate dies in Somali shoot-out

            BOSASSO, Somalia - Security forces from northern Somalia killed a pirate and wounded two others during a shoot-out with hijackers aboard a Panama-flagged ship yesterday. One soldier was killed.

            Coastguard personnel exchanged fire with pirates on the ship, which was seized on Thursday. - (Reuters)

            Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead

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            • #96
              Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
              My sentiments exactly and wondering if the higher ups in the NS have the same reservatyions.
              To my knowledge, no.


              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by johnny no stars View Post
                Perhaps it would, strictly speaking, be possible, however, would leave the NS spread too thinly?
                Not to consider such missions due to FP commitments would be a bit rich! But who knows!

                Photos of the pirate boats alongside MV Faina, taken by USS Howard (DDG-83) & USS Vella Gulf (CG-72)



                The commanding officer of a U.S. Navy guided-missile cruiser monitors the pirated motor vessel (M/V) Faina off the coast of Somalia while one of his helicopters provides aerial surveillance.


                Somali pirates in small boats were able to hijack the MV Faina, a Belize-flagged cargo ship owned and operated by "Kaalbye Shipping Ukraine." The ship is carrying a cargo of Ukrainian T-72 tanks and related equipment. It had no on board security when it was attacked on Sept. 28 and was forced to proceed to an anchorage off the Somali Coast. (U.S. Navy photo/Released)


                USS Howard DDG-83


                USS vella Gulf (CG-72)

                The other question now is... who provided security to the ship carrying the Irish equipment for Chad to Cameroon??!!

                MV Zeran
                Last edited by Dogwatch; 14 October 2008, 10:21.

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                • #98
                  They weren't passing through Piracy infected waters, and there was a military party aboard with the vehicles.


                  Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                  • #99
                    There is piracy in West Africa - sometimes state sponsored. Of course, one can avoid hot spots by going further out to sea, but this has cost (and safety) implications.
                    Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead

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                    • L.E. Niamh did have a special anti Piracy watch closed up when they were passing the horn of africa, and the south China seas, on the way to Hong Kong.


                      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                      • Blackwater ready to kill pirates

                        MOYOCK, North Carolina (October 16, 2008) – Blackwater Worldwide today announced that its 183 foot ship, the McArthur, stands ready to assist the shipping industry as it struggles with the increasing problem of piracy in the Gulf of Aden and elsewhere.

                        The dramatic increase of pirate attacks on merchant vessels in the Gulf of Aden has led to parallel cost increases for the shipping industry. Shipping insurance has risen tenfold this year alone. With the added danger pay offered to crews willing to make the journey, pirate ransom demands that reach into the millions, and lengthy negotiations for hijacked ships, if left unaddressed the cost of the piracy boom to the shipping industry – and consumers buying their goods – will only increase.

                        “Billions of dollars of goods move through the Gulf of Aden each year,” said Bill Matthews, Executive Vice President of Blackwater Worldwide. “We have been contacted by ship owners who say they need our help in making sure those goods get to their destination safely. The McArthur can help us accomplish that.”

                        Some shippers have taken the step of arming their crews, or hiring private security to ride onboard cargo ships. Rather than having armed guards on a cargo vessel, the McArthur’s ability to accompany a ship and deploy helicopters to patrol the area provides a safer option for the shipping industry.

                        The McArthur was reconfigured and modified in 2006 and is now a Blackwater Worldwide Maritime Security Support Craft. The McArthur is a multi-purpose maritime vessel designed to support military and law enforcement training, peacekeeping, and stability operations worldwide. It is fully equipped with a helo deck and can store 4,100 gallons of helo fuel. Blackwater’s aviation affiliate can provide the helicopters, pilots, and maintenance required to support escort missions in the Gulf of Aden.

                        As a company founded and run by former Navy SEALs, with a 50,000-person database of former military and law enforcement professionals, Blackwater is uniquely positioned to assist the shipping industry in the Gulf of Aden and elsewhere.

                        The International Maritime Bureau estimates that more than 70 ships have been attacked off Somalia since January. As of October 15, 2008, 11 ships and 200 crew members were still being held for ransom.



                        Blackwater Vessel 'MCARTHUR'
                        Ex-NOAA Vessel


                        Blackwater USA — the company at the center of a brewing storm over private contractors — isn’t letting a little controversy get them down. No, they’re focused on expansion, and the latest addition is a ship that can be used for everything from anti-terrorism to special operations missions. Lost amid the latest brouhaha, was a […]

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                        • Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                          They weren't passing through Piracy infected waters, and there was a military party aboard with the vehicles.
                          Have a look at the maps of piracy incidents for 2008 & 2007 off Africa. MV Zeran should have had a naval escort with it, imagine the embarrassment of the whole contingent of Irish vehicles & equipment caught by pirates?




                          Zoom in & have a look for Douala in Cameroon, where the DF kit was landed.
                          Last edited by Dogwatch; 22 October 2008, 23:42.

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                          • Back to the Ye olde days.

                            Signal the vessels approaching.

                            No response, signal again.

                            No response, signal to them to turn away.

                            No response, take the tarp off the canons and let rip.
                            "The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"

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                            • Its interesting to note that there was an attempted attack on a bulk carrier just of the UK Coast

                              that dammed Jack Sparrow
                              Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                              Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                              The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                              The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                              The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                              Are full of passionate intensity.

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                              • Heart rending tale of an Irishman who fell afoul of this problem
                                Meh.

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