Modern Pirates

[Goldie fish]

Do you think they unbolt the big ****off gun from the front of the ship before they leave irish waters? Get a grip hedgehog.

I suggest you read the book "Asian Enterprise" about what actually goes on. Better again have a read of the Blog from Eithnes visit to South america. http://homepage.eircom.net/~navalass2/weekone.htm

When you go on a cash escort, do you bring a real gun?

[hedgehog]

I dont actually know if they unbolt the big gun

thats why I asked

no wonder that Vosper lad hates you

the question was in reference to the killing pirates.

what side of the bed did you get out of this morning

scorpy

[Goldie fish]

He hates you too.

I'll get the lads to hand you a spanner next time you visit a naval vessel. You can give them a head start in preparation for their next overseas trip.

[GoneToTheCanner]

Hedgie isn't entirely wrong here.Wasn't there a vessel, possibly the Eithne, that served for a time without the gun turret in place?
regards
GttC

[Fireplace]

Pirates captured by French Frigate Jean de Vienne in the Gulf of Aden on January 4 being handed over to the Somalis.

[Dogwatch]

Do the Navy have weapons on the ships when they go on there jolly boys outings to far away places

Jolly boys outings?? Have weapons? Christ we really know how to lower the intellectual value of the thread.... actually the site.

L.É. EMER went into Beirut in 78 with shots falling around her. Ships throughout the 80's went to Beirut under the threat of attack.
L.É. NIAMH went to Liberia with SF Recce in Oct 03 before any other element of the DF went on the ground, without any bloody air support (this was referred to as a 'watershed in DF operations' in the most recent DF strategy statement).
L.É. RÓISIN was in the med standing by when all foreign nationals were being evacuated from Beirut in 06 (not used by the 'experts' in green).

Grow bloody up with your comments.

[Victor]

Hang on, I thought you could just shoot pirates. OK, there are obvious humanitarian concerns, but not necessarily legal ones. But then if a civilian shoots a pirate, are they themselves engaging in piracy? There was a case in I think about 1915 of the captain a British merchantman sinking a German U-boat off the Netherlands being hung for piracy.

Outside the territorial waters?

Still subject to the laws of whatever country the ship is registered with.

[hedgehog]

Grow bloody up with your comments.

Oh man you so make me want to break my new years resoloution about being nice

but after a deeep breath and a cup of gren tea- I am prepared to acknowledge that I asked my

genuine question in a jocular manner and you may have got the wrong end of the stick.

I have served overseas (proper overseas) with a lot of Naval guys and I found them to be

good guys.

And whereas I really dont want to get into a who can pee further and higher contest with you

but you make it extremely hard to resist;

L.É. EMER went into Beirut in 78 with shots falling around her. .

How long were you in Beruit for- a couple of days perhaps

Ships throughout the 80's went to Beirut under the threat of attack

Threat of attack

Is that an attack that didnt actually happen

L.É. NIAMH went to Liberia with SF Recce in Oct 03 before any other element of the DF went on the ground, without any bloody air support (this was referred to as a 'watershed in DF operations' in the most recent DF strategy statement).

so when you say you went out with the Ranger Wing before any other DF - you actually mean- they sailed out with you

WHen the Aer Lingus crew went to the Leb with me a few times- they dont really go home and throw breaks about the Leb

L.É. RÓISIN was in the med standing by when all foreign nationals were being evacuated from Beirut in 06 (not used by the 'experts' in green

Standing by
Is that another way of saying - parking up in the sunny med a fw miles off the coast

My original question was do you lads bring weapons on your genuinly

seriously trips - I now wish to change it to

did you lads ever get to actually break out the weapons in any of the above situation.

[pilatus]

Taken from the BBC news website

US to lead new anti-pirate force

A new international force to combat piracy off the coast of Somalia is being formed and will be headed by an American admiral, the US navy says.

More than 20 nations are expected to contribute to the force, due to be fully operational later in January.

After more than 100 attacks last year, the International Maritime Bureau said increased naval patrols had reduced hijackings in December last year.

The EU formed an anti-piracy task force in December.

Ships from other navies, including Canada, Iran, India and China, have also been patrolling one of the world's busiest sea lanes - the waters of the Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean leading to and from the Suez Canal.


Security measures

US Navy Rear Admiral Terence McKnight has been named the commander of the new force, called Combined Task Force 151 (CTF-151), the US Fifth Fleet said in a statement from its headquarters in Bahrain.

A spokeswoman for the force, Commander Jane Campbell, said the area the pirates operate in is larger than the Mediterranean Sea and the shipping lane the force will patrol is 480 miles (780km) long.

About 60 warships would be required to effectively patrol this sea lane, she said, while about one-third of that number had been committed to the new force.

Cmdr Campbell said merchant vessels could take heightened security measures to thwart pirates, including pulling up ladders they leave hanging from their sterns to allow pilots to come aboard, travelling at high speeds to create a large wake to prevent pirates from boarding, and keeping a sharp watch and maintaining communications with other ships and the new task force.

Despite only two successful hijackings in December, Somali pirates still hold about 15 ships carrying more than 200 crew members.

One of these is the Saudi oil tanker the Sirius Star, captured in November.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7817611.stm

[golden rivet]

Oh man you so make me want to break my new years resoloution about being nice

but after a deeep breath and a cup of gren tea- I am prepared to acknowledge that I asked my

genuine question in a jocular manner and you may have got the wrong end of the stick.

I have served overseas (proper overseas) with a lot of Naval guys and I found them to be

good guys.

And whereas I really dont want to get into a who can pee further and higher contest with you

but you make it extremely hard to resist;




How long were you in Beruit for- a couple of days perhaps




Threat of attack

Is that an attack that didnt actually happen


so when you say you went out with the Ranger Wing before any other DF - you actually mean- they sailed out with you

WHen the Aer Lingus crew went to the Leb with me a few times- they dont really go home and throw breaks about the Leb




Standing by
Is that another way of saying - parking up in the sunny med a fw miles off the coast

My original question was do you lads bring weapons on your genuinly

seriously trips - I now wish to change it to

did you lads ever get to actually break out the weapons in any of the above situation.

when you are out in your boat in dublin bay you are off the navy rescue list

[Dogwatch]

Oh man you so make me want to break my new years resoloution about being nice

but after a deeep breath and a cup of gren tea- I am prepared to acknowledge that I asked my

genuine question in a jocular manner and you may have got the wrong end of the stick.

Standing by
Is that another way of saying - parking up in the sunny med a fw miles off the coast

My original question was do you lads bring weapons on your genuinly

seriously trips - I now wish to change it to

did you lads ever get to actually break out the weapons in any of the above situation.

Just because shots weren't fired doesn't mean weapons weren't out & yes the NS stayed with the recce team for the duration of the time they were there & yes the NS put them into Liberia & extracted them.
In all the time in Leb, how many individuals have actually fired a shot? Not many in the context of the thousands of irish soldiers who have served there. That does not mean that many soldiers weren't in danger on numerous occasions.
To use the no. of times weapons were 'broken out' as you so professionally stated, as a means of quantifying the threat level and work completed by DF pers would not be a good and valid benchmark.
A peeing contest is not what's required, just maybe a bit of education on your part of what other arms of the DF are capable of and have completed. Having been overseas on a number of occasions & worked with a host of nationalities, I know the capabilities of all arms & pers of the DF. I think you should also, considering your 'experience' and the fact you're passing comment in a naval thread without any naval / maritime competency or knowledge.

[hedgehog]

just maybe a bit of education on your part of what other arms of the DF are capable of and have completed

To gain this education I may have to ask questions about something I have no knowledge about

oh wait

I did ask not one but 2 questions


Question 1

Do the Navy have weapons on the ships when they go on there jolly boys outings to far away places

Question 2

did you lads ever get to actually break out the weapons in any of the above situation.

Now wind your neck in or I will forget my new years resoloution.

I am kind of hoping that if you ever had a question about the Army

that Soldiers would at least read your post in the light hearted manner that it was asked

and answer your question with the respect a comrade in arms deserve.

[easyrider]

Taken from the BBC news website

US to lead new anti-pirate force

A new international force to combat piracy off the coast of Somalia is being formed and will be headed by an American admiral, the US navy says.

More than 20 nations are expected to contribute to the force, due to be fully operational later in January.

After more than 100 attacks last year, the International Maritime Bureau said increased naval patrols had reduced hijackings in December last year.

The EU formed an anti-piracy task force in December.

Ships from other navies, including Canada, Iran, India and China, have also been patrolling one of the world's busiest sea lanes - the waters of the Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean leading to and from the Suez Canal.


Security measures

US Navy Rear Admiral Terence McKnight has been named the commander of the new force, called Combined Task Force 151 (CTF-151), the US Fifth Fleet said in a statement from its headquarters in Bahrain.

A spokeswoman for the force, Commander Jane Campbell, said the area the pirates operate in is larger than the Mediterranean Sea and the shipping lane the force will patrol is 480 miles (780km) long.

About 60 warships would be required to effectively patrol this sea lane, she said, while about one-third of that number had been committed to the new force.

Cmdr Campbell said merchant vessels could take heightened security measures to thwart pirates, including pulling up ladders they leave hanging from their sterns to allow pilots to come aboard, travelling at high speeds to create a large wake to prevent pirates from boarding, and keeping a sharp watch and maintaining communications with other ships and the new task force.

Despite only two successful hijackings in December, Somali pirates still hold about 15 ships carrying more than 200 crew members.

One of these is the Saudi oil tanker the Sirius Star, captured in November.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7817611.stm

Patrolling hasn't worked in the past. The most effective and efficient way of providing protection for merchant ships is escorted convoys. Naval commanders don't like it, because it's not as glamorous as whizzing about the place looking for trouble, and it takes a lot of boring organisational work. Merchant ship owners and captains don't like it either, because it messes with their schedules and profit-making. But if the threat persists, they'll probably get there eventually.

[Test Pilot]

To gain this education I may have to ask questions about something I have no knowledge about

oh wait

I did ask not one but 2 questions


Question 1



Question 2




Now wind your neck in or I will forget my new years resoloution.

I am kind of hoping that if you ever had a question about the Army

that Soldiers would at least read your post in the light hearted manner that it was asked

and answer your question with the respect a comrade in arms deserve.

Gawd, more dribble !

[pmtts]

THE Saudi Arabian oil tanker Sirius Star has been released by the pirates who hijacked it in November in the Indian Ocean, Agence France-Presse said, citing the leader of the pirates, Mohamed Said.

The Vela-operated, 319,430 dwt, 2008-built very large crude carrier was hijacked on November 17 off Kenya with 25 crew aboard.

No details of ransom payments being met were immediately available.