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Another excuse to raise the price of oil...
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I just don't get why these ships particularly supertankers don't have hired armed guards aboard.
Half a dozen mercenaries at $10,000 dollars each per voyage would be chicken feed to those guys.
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LLIAJ,
Buying mercenaries would be the easy part of it. After they'd shot the pirates, they would possibly be subject to murder charges as they are not part of a standing army and there was no formal declaration of war. Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with it........
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How do you know they are Pirates? Many of the types involved in this activity explain their arsenal of weapons aboard the boat as means of self defence.
Do you shoot at every boat that comes within a certain range? What if they are seeking assistance having been chased by pirates themselves?
Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.Comment
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If it was in international waters, which jurisdiction would they come under from a murder charge point of view? Surly some ROE would be capable of being put in place.Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
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Just don't tell anyone when you get back to port that you shot up a pirate skiff!!
I'm sure the somali aren't going to be contacting NATO forces that their
raiding crew didn't come home..Life's short, party naked :-)Comment
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You gotta be joking, they would not only have every human rights lawyer in the world working on it (pro bono no doubt), they would find some way to get the UK legal aid to pay for it, I bet!Originally posted by Mad P View Post'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
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You've seen what has happened up to now. Anyone who's captured the toerags, especially the Dutch, has had to treat them according to Dutch law and so the little wussums have been jailed in Holland and are claiming asylum. Now,I prefer the Russian alternative justice for pirates...
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Remember the Advertisement that was placed here about a year back looking for a certain calibre of person to be involved in protecting ships...its happening, these type of people are available for those who can afford them
One ex Irish Naval Service PO out there 'minding' ships from pirates as we speak, nearly finished his first year at it now.Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safeComment
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EUNAVFOR warship FNS POHJANMAA assists released fishing vessel
On 10 February, the EUNAVFOR warship FNS POHJANMAA secured and assisted the fishing vessel GOLDEN WAVE after a request to assist from the South Korean government. The vessel was attacked on 9 October 2010 and had been in the hands of pirates for 123 days.
FNS POHJANMAA arrived on scene early on Thursday morning and found the original crew of 43 persons on board. FNS POHJANMAA’s boarding team searched and secured the vessel, in order to make sure that no pirates were present.
After securing the vessel, the FNS POHJANMAA provided medical aid and basic necessities to the crew as they had been left without water or food. POHJANMAA’S doctor examined the crew and found that no one was seriously injured.
The ship was in poor condition after its long captivity so the Finnish crew provided technical support to the ship. After this work was complete, the GOLDEN WAVE was reported seaworthy and able to sail its next destination.
The crew of the GOLDEN WAVE was happy to be released and grateful for the assistance and aid POHJANMAA provided.
POHJANMAA alongside GOLDEN WAVE
Not a nice way to tow another ship!!!!Comment
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A ROYAL Navy team has successfully stormed a vessel seized by Somali pirates in the Gulf of Aden and rescued five Yemeni fishermen who had been held hostage for three months.
The Ministry of Defence described the Yemeni fishing boat as a pirate "mother ship". The pirates used it as a base from which to mount attacks in three smaller craft, which were destroyed in the operation last Thursday.
The group of about half a dozen sailors and Royal Marines, dispatched from a British warship that is part of an anti-piracy mission in the region, found and destroyed several weapons, including rocket-propelled grenades.
The pirate vessel, a dhow, was returned to the rescued Yemeni crew, who were able to make their way home, while the 17 pirates were taken aboard HMS Cornwall and deposited in Somalia, where they were released. Under international law, Britain does not have the jurisdiction to arrest suspected pirates unless attacked.
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How are the british taking part in anti-piracy operations if they have no jurisdiction?
It's just like operating under UN mandates where your hands are bound unless you
see the attacks happen or are attacked otherwise you can't do anything!!
If the EUNAVFOR is to be taken seriously should they not be given more
powers to act against pirates & not just taxi them home once they're caught?!?Life's short, party naked :-)Comment
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The problem is (as the Dutch have found out), you nick them, and they have to be taken to a court, and prison.
The prison is like a holiday camp to them, the sentence is saying they have to spend a few years in an environment where they have a roof, bed, three meals a day and no-one is trying to kill them, and on release they can apply for asylum without having to walk half-way across Europe to get there, and 100% certainty of being granted it. They can then apply to bring in the Mrs, Kids, mum and dad, and everyone else they know, and the state will give them money and accommodation.
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The navy puts them ashore, and they have to explain to the Somali equivalent of Wayne Dundon why the boats are missing, the guns are missing, and there is no big ship for ransom.
Which would be the greater deterrent?Last edited by Flamingo; 15 February 2011, 23:30.'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.htmlComment
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Point taken..
The whole somalia issue of no goverment, police, army does make
for difficulties in trying to sort out what to do with captured pirates :-(Life's short, party naked :-)Comment
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Greater minds than ours have not been able to decide on it!Originally posted by Mad P View Post'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.htmlComment
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