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  • Perhaps this article sheds a bit more light on this incident, and on what RFA Fort Victoria's role is in the Indian Ocean -

    The Royal Navy has come to the aid of a Spanish fishing vessel under pirate attack in the Indian Ocean this week.


    I think its hard to deny this was a Royal Navy operation, after all the RFA are directly under the command and control of the Royal Navy, and are an integral part of the UK Naval Service - The Royal Navy, Royal Marines and Naval Reserve Forces.
    'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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    • Actually, the command structure does not have any interaction with the RN except for at the upper level, where the Commodore of the RFA answers to CinCFLEET. The crew are civilians, with civilian qualifications. The ships are owned by the Ministry of Defence.

      Just like the Boat transport that ferries Naval Personell from cobh to Haulbowline, which is owned by the DoD. They may answer to the FOCNS, but they follow civilian rules.

      The NS have a presence in Operation Atalanta, at the HQ in fleetwood. The NS has also offerred to sent a vessel to participate in the patrols but the government will barely let the army go to Lebanon, never mind send a ship that should be at home suffering from crew shortages..

      With that in mind, well done to the members of the Irish NS for their success in this latest capture.


      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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      • The EU wants ships with helicopters - as the above example demonstrates. Alternatively they would like a Maritime Patrol Aircraft.

        We don't have the first, and we can't spare the second.

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        • Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
          Actually, the command structure does not have any interaction with the RN except for at the upper level, where the Commodore of the RFA answers to CinCFLEET. The crew are civilians, with civilian qualifications. The ships are owned by the Ministry of Defence.

          Just like the Boat transport that ferries Naval Personell from cobh to Haulbowline, which is owned by the DoD. They may answer to the FOCNS, but they follow civilian rules.

          The NS have a presence in Operation Atalanta, at the HQ in fleetwood. The NS has also offerred to sent a vessel to participate in the patrols but the government will barely let the army go to Lebanon, never mind send a ship that should be at home suffering from crew shortages..

          With that in mind, well done to the members of the Irish NS for their success in this latest capture.
          Yep, the RFA is civilian manned, I agree.

          But the rest of your post is rubbish.

          The RFA operate with the Royal Navy on a daily basis as you well know, and to say that their command structure has no interaction with the Royal Navy is just being stupid. RFA Captains operate mainly with and work for the Royal Navy - they are in command of MOD owned British Naval assets. And I am sure that you also know that most RFA's have Royal Navy personnel embarked, and that command and control of RFA assets falls to the Royal Navy.

          Read the MOD article again. It explains the RFA Fort Victoria's role in the Indian Ocean. It has a RAS function, and is also operating as a command and control asset. This operation was controlled locally by a Royal Navy Captain embarked with his team on board the RFA. That Royal Navy Captain would have simply told his RFA counterpart on the bridge where to take his (rather large) ship. The Royal Navy and Royal Marines brought it to a successful conclusion at the sharp end.

          A Royal Marine sniper firing from a helicopter helped detain seven Somali pirates, the Ministry of Defence has said.


          Northwood does allude to other 'national and international assets' - which reminds us that RFA Fort Victoria did not bring this all together herself.

          So, maybe your man in Atalanta does deserve a pat on the back, who knows?
          'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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          • Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
            Actually, ........

            Just like the Boat transport that ferries Naval Personell from cobh to Haulbowline, which is owned by the DoD. They may answer to the FOCNS, but they follow civilian rules
            No civvy rules justify the way the ferry is whacked off the jetty,little wonder the upstream one got demolished Cobh side.

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            • Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
              I'll remember this post when the 8 irish soldiers in afghanistan are taking credit for killing Bin laden....
              yes please do - because the Irish DF were nowhere near Bin Laden when he was killed, infact they weren't even in the same country, yet these Royal Marines are actually in the pirate vessel having chased and captured its crew.

              Originally posted by Goldie fish
              ...well done to the members of the Irish NS for their success in this latest capture.
              are you having a Toffee Crisp? where are the Irish NS in this?

              despite the fact the Op was mounted from an RFA ship, how can you deny the Royal Navy credit for this Op when it was a Royal Navy helicopter and crew, with as spider pointed out - a Royal Navy Officer in the Bridge of the RFA ship controlling the operation, and the Royal Navys' soldiers who are actually present in the boat after catching and capturing the pirates.



              Originally posted by Goldie fish
              Technically not an RN capture. RFA ships are civvy crewed.
              mmmm, they don't look like civvies to me.
              Last edited by RoyalGreenJacket; 3 December 2011, 14:21.
              RGJ

              ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

              The Rifles

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              • So, to put a cap on the pointless squabbling initiated by GF, did they sink the pirate boat afterwards?

                regards
                GttC

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                • I don't think so - the video I posted says it was taken onboard as evidence.
                  'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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                  • Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
                    yes please do - because the Irish DF were nowhere near Bin Laden when he was killed, infact they weren't even in the same country, yet these Royal Marines are actually in the pirate vessel having chased and captured its crew.



                    are you having a Toffee Crisp? where are the Irish NS in this?

                    despite the fact the Op was mounted from an RFA ship, how can you deny the Royal Navy credit for this Op when it was a Royal Navy helicopter and crew, with as spider pointed out - a Royal Navy Officer in the Bridge of the RFA ship controlling the operation, and the Royal Navys' soldiers who are actually present in the boat after catching and capturing the pirates.





                    mmmm, they don't look like civvies to me.
                    Even you shoulkd know they are cabbageheads. The ship is crewed by 100% civvys. The Naval detachment does not control the operations from the bridge, they ask the Civilian master of the Civilian ship, painted grey, to go where they want to go.


                    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                    • Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                      Even you shoulkd know they are cabbageheads. The ship is crewed by 100% civvys. The Naval detachment does not control the operations from the bridge, they ask the Civilian master of the Civilian ship, painted grey, to go where they want to go.
                      so they are civillians in combats with A2's who are boarding the vessel?

                      and it was a civvie helicopter piloted by civvie crew?

                      i think you will find it's all Royal Navy.

                      EDITED: to stop this ridiculous denial sh|te.
                      Last edited by RoyalGreenJacket; 3 December 2011, 21:07.
                      RGJ

                      ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

                      The Rifles

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                      • Folks enough. This trolling and biting the bait is face palm worthy. Every one can see it was a bootneck op. the RN and RFA just stood back and gawped at their prowess :-) ( written under coercion by a leatherneck!)
                        "The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"

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                        • Make it stop.Please.

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                          • Originally posted by ZULU View Post
                            Folks enough. This trolling and biting the bait is face palm worthy. Every one can see it was a bootneck op. the RN and RFA just stood back and gawped at their prowess :-) ( written under coercion by a leatherneck!)
                            us Army folk take great pride in pointing out that Royal Marines are indeed part of - the Royal Navy
                            RGJ

                            ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

                            The Rifles

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                            • Originally posted by easyrider View Post
                              The EU wants ships with helicopters - as the above example demonstrates. Alternatively they would like a Maritime Patrol Aircraft.

                              We don't have the first, and we can't spare the second.
                              I don't agree. An OPV could fill a role in the EU mission. Unless you are a spokesman for EUNAVFOR you might quote a link for your categorical ruling out of ships without helicopters.

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                              • India has detained a bulk carrier with a crew of 21 Ukrainian seafarers and two Irish security guards after finding four self-loading rifles and live cartridges, said to be for defence against piracy. The vessel has been named as the 2004-built, 55,137 dwt Genco Provence and the arrest took place in Morbi on December 5, according to a Lloyd’s List Intelligence correspondent. It is not clear whether the ship is still being held, or which security company provided the guards.

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