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Originally posted by Flintstone View PostI don't agree. An OPV could fill a role in the EU mission. Unless you are a spokesman for EUNAVFOR you might quote a link for your categorical ruling out of ships without helicopters.
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Originally posted by Flintstone View PostSounds like they were in port. Many countries do not permit arms on merchant vessels in their ports regardless of their intended use.
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Yes. The routine arming of merchant vessels is something that needs to pay attention to local laws also. While a ship is in port, you must obey all laws of that state, including their firearms laws.
The weapons should have been declared prior to arrival, and on the face of it, there may be more to this story.
Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.
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Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Postdoes that mean British ships would not be authorised at those ports given the fact that armed guards are now authorised on-board?
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Originally posted by easyrider View PostNo, EUNAVFOR haven't offered me a job yet, but I recall reading an interview with the then commander of the EU force - a Royal Navy Commodore, can't recall his name, it was a year or two back - who when asked what resources he required from contributing nations, replied that he wanted ships with helicopters and boats.
Our navy is very good at operating boats in difficult conditions. At the very least Irish ships could escort the WFP ships many of which are carrying aid from Ireland. This would free up an expensive frigate with its helo for work elsewhere.
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Originally posted by Goldie fish View PostYes. The routine arming of merchant vessels is something that needs to pay attention to local laws also. While a ship is in port, you must obey all laws of that state, including their firearms laws.
The weapons should have been declared prior to arrival, and on the face of it, there may be more to this story.
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Originally posted by Flintstone View PostMy info is more recent. The Head of the European Defence Agency stated in early Dec of this year that EUNAVFOR is short of ships. I do not think that they will be as picky as your RN Commodore if they were offered an OPV sans helo.
Our navy is very good at operating boats in difficult conditions. At the very least Irish ships could escort the WFP ships many of which are carrying aid from Ireland. This would free up an expensive frigate with its helo for work elsewhere.
Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.
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Originally posted by Goldie fish View PostI heard the Irish NS were asked, but the DoD declined. It is a big undertaking, requiring extra crew for changeovers etc. It is not practical to rotate an entire ship in and out of area. You post a ship there, and leave it there. Interestingly the Peacocks are ideally suited to this climate, being designed for work in the tropics, but would need to have a homeport to accomodate crew for prolonged periods.
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Originally posted by DeV View PostWould the Peacocks still be fitted with the equipment for the tropics?
If DoD refused a request for Irish naval assistance it is a disgrace. This is an island 98% of whose imports come by sea. 2o%of global trade passes through the Gulf of Aden. How much of it is oil destined for our cars and central heating. 80 million USD were paid to pirates in 2010. It is estimated that global piracy cost international shipping 10 billion USD in 2010. The continued attacks on shipping will soon have a negative effect on our economy. Surely we could spare one ship. The minister should think outside the box and overrule the department.
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