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    Direct Entry - Ordnance Corps

    Does anyone here work in the ordnance corps? Has anyone applied for the position of ordnance officer this month?
    I applied a couple of weeks ago, and was wondering when I should expect to hear anything back.....:-patriot:

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    Do these direct entry positions come up often? I wish they would put them on the web site instead of just the papers

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    I didnt see it either - a friend noticed it in the Indo and gave me the word...The army had told me it would be on Military.ie and on monster - but guess what...it was'nt!

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    Apparently they are still only processing the applications - acknowledgements will be given next week - with interviews to follow...:-patriot:
    Maybe, just once, someone will call me "sir"
    without adding, "You're making a scene."

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    sorry what are ordnance corps?

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    With 50,000 men getting killed a week, who's going to miss a pigeon?

    Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people.

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    Was told to expect the interviews to be held in November. Does anyone know if they are still being held - is anyone else doing it?
    Maybe, just once, someone will call me "sir"
    without adding, "You're making a scene."

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    When was the closing date?

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    Sometime in June! The interviews were to be in July/August but got postponed...now with all the talk of further cuts....dont know where I stand!
    Maybe, just once, someone will call me "sir"
    without adding, "You're making a scene."

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    The Irish Independent

    13 Nov 2003

    Military sets recruitment sights on graduates

    THE military is to place greater emphasis on graduates in new recruitment campaigns for cadets for the Defence Forces.

    A conference heard yesterday that the aim is to move away from primarily targeting the school leaver and concentrating more on graduates who would be compensated for their college education by being commissioned as lieutenants.

    It is part of an overall drive to introduce an all-embracing system of integrated officer induction and training that will provide for school leavers, graduates and personnel who have come up through the enlisted ranks.

    Raco, the representative association for officers in the Defence Forces, has for some time argued that the ad hoc systems used to train officers are divisive.

    Its annual conference in Tralee yesterday was told by its president Lieut Col Paul Allen there were two areas where Raco would not compromise - there would be no reduction in the educational standard required and any quota system for a particular group was out of the question.

    He also said that his association is pushing for real decentralisation of sections of Defence Forces headquarters and not merely minor movements to the fringes of Dublin city.

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    Decentralisation is a whole other issue, but recruiting graduates makes all kinds of sense from an economic point of view. You avoid paying someone wages for three years minimum as an undergraduate, and possibly bed & board also, when you only have those personnell for a max of four months a year. Thats a minimum of €60k saved per graduate recruited to the DF.

    Add to that the life skills that a graduate will inevitably pick up, and you get a more mature, better officer corps
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    Got a letter last Friday.
    This competition has been cancelled.
    The anticipated vacancies in the Ordnance Corps did not occur.

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    Its annual conference in Tralee yesterday was told by its president Lieut Col Paul Allen there were two areas where Raco would not compromise - there would be no reduction in the educational standard required and any quota system for a particular group was out of the question
    Nice to see who calls the shots these days. Admittedly this could be seen as "conditions of service" issue but I still don't like the idea of any representative association issuing instructions to the chain of command about how they want the DF to be run.

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    Do you reckon this could push the stupid age limit back up? maybe to 29 or under as in the BA???

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    One of the areas open to representative associations to make representations on is changes in the entry requirements.

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    well i think that theyre making a mistake by reducing it so severely, i do understand the need to reduce the age profile but I think they are handicapping themselves from taking peeps from industry with real experience who could add so much to the future of the defence forces.

    Maybe even improve management and the overall structure by bringing in currently used industry techniques applicable to current problems instead of relying on useless civil servants and their pen pushing, penny saving paper mountains.

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    Morpheus, there hasn't been any change in the rules. The age limit is as it always has been.

    However, I do think they should look at short term comissions for specific skills such as Doctors and Engineers.

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    Bravo20 - why would it be a short term commission? If I (25) got in as an engineer into the cadets, I'd be finished in 21 months. If a 22 year old got in, he would do his 21 months, followed by a 4 year course (provided they passes each year and didnt repeat). which would mean that I would be ready to work fully trained a year younger than the current situation...and I am too old to go for cadets........doesnt make sense.
    Maybe, just once, someone will call me "sir"
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    Yes but short term commissioning allows you to take in older engineers with experience to use for specific tasks. Also I am taking about direct entries not cadets.

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    One way or the other they canceled the interviews for DE and as mentioned I'm too old for cadets so I'm left high and dry.....
    Maybe, just once, someone will call me "sir"
    without adding, "You're making a scene."

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    Reading your comments with a wry smile... do yourselves a favour and dont bother with the ordnance corp.All of the members are trying to get out and morale is rock bottom. This is since the restructure and because of having to answer to infantry officers up the chain of command. They seem to be have it in for non infantry units.A soldier with four years training in a technical discipline can be employed on menial tasks and pointless duties.This is a complete and utter waste of resources. Plus because garrison strengths were slashed and their independence within a command taken away,their work load has increased dramatically because they are not allowed to choose what tasks to priotise.
    The men work well under constant supervision and cornered like rats in a trap

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    If I go DE the only position I can go for is the Ordnance corps....
    Maybe, just once, someone will call me "sir"
    without adding, "You're making a scene."

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    CIS????

    is that the IT section in the army???

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    morpheus

    taken from military.ie:

    Communication and Information Services (CIS) Corps

    Formerly the Army Corps of signals, this corps is responsible for providing all communication and information technology services to the Defence Forces. This role includes the development and maintenance of a countrywide private Defence Forces Telecommunications Network (DFTN), which can support both voice and data services, and the provision, and maintenance of military radio equipment for use by Defence Forces personnel at home and abroad. The DFTN provides advanced telecommunications services including desk to desk dialing and networked IT services such as E mail, Internet and Intranet access, as well as fax and paging services. The CIS Corps also provides communication links to all overseas missions including a satellite link from DFTN to Irish Transport Company, Kosovo and Irish Guard, Eritea for voice and data.
    Maybe, just once, someone will call me "sir"
    without adding, "You're making a scene."

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