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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    RFT for the supply of DF boots just out. Rumours of going brown just that. Rumours.
    Design of OP boot and OP safety boot same as current Haix variant.
    Design of Light Op Light OP safety as per Magnum Viper design.
    Desert boot being purchased but only in VERY small numbers.Design as per the Magnum Viper.
    Lowa design OP boot for "Them".
    Flame resistant OP boot for the NS.
    Obviously people have not been reading the lessons identified in UNDOF \ UNIFIL regarding boots

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    Totally agree.A change to brown would have made financial sense also.You could issue boots suitable for overseas use in hot climates and not have to wadi them after 6 months if they still had life left in them.You could continue to use them at home also.
    What we have at the moment is a fallacy.We have light Op boots more suited to warm weather in Ireland that can also handle cold(ish) conditions around Bks when paired with heavier socks during autumn/winter but totally unsuited to 30+ degree heat in the middle eastern summer.
    It's a no brainer.The colour black retains heat
    The modern Irish soldier is better educated,trained and equipped then any any other generation that has gone before.


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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    What needed changing? Get rid of the shite lacing system on the haix.?Re-introduce the desert boot en masse? No link but if you PM me an email address I can send on the RFT + specs.
    The Haix boots have had an appalling reputation since introduced. An upper that becomes saggy when wet, a poor lacing system and poor build quality, I've seen quite a few incidents where the sole and midsole have debonded and come away on relatively new boots.

    The light operational boot - the new viper is comfy, however they're not a durable item. The sole is prone to debonding (you can glue them yourself though) and the fabric panels on the upper aren't up to it. With abrasion they start to come apart and fluffy threads sprout from the sides so it looks like your boots have started to grow pubes!

    Time to go back to the drawing board and have a proper look at what's on the market.

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    Anyone have any experience with under armour boots?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Edmund Blackadder View Post
    Anyone have any experience with under armour boots?
    No but the Valsetz(?) seem popular
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    He put a bullet through his brain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Edmund Blackadder View Post
    Anyone have any experience with under armour boots?
    Their the same quality as the oakely boots that lads bring back from Kosovo - shite. When buying boots, guns and cars always buy German.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The real Jack View Post
    Their the same quality as the oakely boots that lads bring back from Kosovo - shite. When buying boots, guns and cars always buy German.


    Lowas it is!
    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
    Who grinned at life in empty joy,
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    And whistled early with the lark.

    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
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    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
    Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
    Sneak home and pray you'll never know
    The hell where youth and laughter go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck View Post


    Lowas it is!
    I dunno, I've had meindls before and I replaced them with lowas as they were a lot cheaper but I prefer the meindls tbh. Both of them do seriously gucci lightweight models now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The real Jack View Post
    Their the same quality as the oakely boots that lads bring back from Kosovo - shite. When buying boots, guns and cars always buy German.

    haix are german.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by northie View Post
    haix are german.......
    Heroes might wear haix but they're made in a factory in croatia
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    The Haix boots have had an appalling reputation since introduced. An upper that becomes saggy when wet, a poor lacing system and poor build quality, I've seen quite a few incidents where the sole and midsole have debonded and come away on relatively new boots.
    Totally agree about the lacing system.If the ARW can have open hooks on their Lowas,and they are a jump capable unit, why oh why do we have a lacing system where the laces separate from the D rings when you take off the boots??
    Uppers could be down to improper care.IE not polishing as often as they should be.Some blokes I have come across seem to think its ok not to clean their boots on exercise/ranges as "sure I will be getting them dirty again tommorrow ".Leather uppers need to be cared for and treated in order to delay "wetting out".
    Debonding soles is probably a QC issue. Surprising though as Haix ARE a quality brand.

    The light operational boot - the new viper is comfy, however they're not a durable item. The sole is prone to debonding (you can glue them yourself though) and the fabric panels on the upper aren't up to it. With abrasion they start to come apart and fluffy threads sprout from the sides so it looks like your boots have started to grow pubes!
    Agree 100%. I have used them overseas in hot weather.Not suitable as a patrol boot,only suited as a Bks item.Pity as they are more comfy than the amazons.


    Quote Originally Posted by The real Jack View Post
    Heroes might wear haix but they're made in a factory in croatia
    Not an issue and their is a really good reason.Explained in the link below.
    I linked to this thread before but please read the whole thread(ignore the usual BS comments and concentrate on the OP's posts).Clarifies a few things.

    http://www.arrse.co.uk/community/thr...o-gore.220437/
    The modern Irish soldier is better educated,trained and equipped then any any other generation that has gone before.


    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Totally agree about the lacing system.If the ARW can have open hooks on their Lowas,and they are a jump capable unit, why oh why do we have a lacing system where the laces separate from the D rings when you take off the boots??
    This really begs the question, now that the boot tender is out, why not issue everybody with the Lowa?

    Seems a better boot than the Haix from reports. The ARW is supposed to have a developmental role for equipment, ordinance, etc. If they find it the most suitable boot for all their roles (and these include everything the rest of the Army does) surely the Lowa should be introduced across the board.

    It would also have the advantage of a simpler tender, reduced logistics tail with less brands in service, reduced costs with greater quantities (hopefully) and more uniformity throughout.

    Or is all that too sensible?
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    It was a cost basis if I recalll, the HAIX were the no. 2 on everything but cost vs the Lowa's and were therefore selected.
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    Dev why are you the only person on this site that dislikes information that they disagree with when someone has gone to the effort of supplying such information?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The real Jack View Post
    Dev why are you the only person on this site that dislikes information that they disagree with when someone has gone to the effort of supplying such information?
    I often want to do what Dev does but always feel I have to preface it with "I'm not disliking your post, more the content of your post..."
    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
    Who grinned at life in empty joy,
    Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
    And whistled early with the lark.

    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
    Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
    Sneak home and pray you'll never know
    The hell where youth and laughter go.

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