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she's not in THAT deep water. Perfectly feasable to refloat her. It's the naysayers that don't want it to exist to begin with that are now jumping with joy and putting their spoke in to decing what will happen to what they see as a waste of money.
I didn't realise She had any detractors or critics. She has flown the flag for our small isle all over the world. We should have nothing but pride for what she, and her crew of mostly newcomers to sailing, have achieved since 1981.
In her the spirit of Jack Tyrrell, Eric Healy, and even Charlie Haughey, at his champagne not breaking best, lived on.
Coiste an Asgard is managed by a handful of people and depends on a serious amount of goodwill, yet it generates more positive comment than probably any other Government-owned device or agency and always recieves a warm welcome wherever it goes.If it is to be salvaged and refitted, then the money spent will probably end up being raised by public subscription, but it would be worth every penny.My heart goes out to all crew members, past and present, who must be really gutted that the great ship has sunk.
regards
GttC
if you sailed on her was much attention given to drills ie what to do in different situations and especially taking on water
When I sailed on her in 1989 our first day aboard was spent going through all the safety drills, for both fire and flooding. What happened in the engineering(small) space what not the concern of the trainees though, as their responsibilities did not include the engine. One of its full time crew was always on watch. I think the fact that all got off safely and promptly yesterday shows the effectiveness of their training methods.
Keep in mind though that because of the type of craft she is, there is no subdivision as on normal naval or merchant vessels. I remember there being one watertight door below forward, and another to the engine room.
Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.
Per todays Irish Times the minister has said that if it was not possible to salvage the vessal they would examine the possibility of recreating it. It is expected that insurance would cover the cost.
My brother was on board at the time, he's on his way home at the moment. They seem to think that it may have hit a container or something that was washed off another ship. It would only have had to be floating just under the surface of the water.
This morning at about 0310, the 32 meter schooner Asgard 2 flying the Irish flag and belonging to the Irish Defence Ministry signaled to the regional surveillance and rescue centre at Etel (CROSSA) that she had a serious leak. The boat was then 22 km west of Belle Ile with 25 people aboard. It was sailing from Falmouth (Great Britain) to La Rochelle.
Crossa then immediately launched a rescue operation by rerouting a commercial vessel, Arklow Venus, and the schooner Beautiful Chicken of the French Navy which were in proximity, calling life boats from Belle Ile and Groix, and requesting the use of two choppers of the French Navy, a Dauphin (not a Renault Dauphin, presumably, ed) from the rescue service based at Lanveoc and a Lynx from the frigate Trouville (so that's where he's been, ed) which was 135 km from the vessel in difficulties.
At around 0400 the crew of Asgard 2 signaled that the boat was sinking, which necessitated an evacuation into liferafts. Around 0430 the elements of the rescue were on scene, The crew were rescued from the liferafts by the lifeboats which are currently on their way to The Palais (Hammersmith? ed) to be landed. The airborne assets were able to confirm that the wreck was afloat and waterlogged. Therefore she presents a danger to navigation.
All the rescue assets have returned to their normal activity. The maritime administration of the Atlantic has sent an urgent warning to navigators, drawing attention to the existence of this danger to navigation. The areas remains under surveillance by the Talut signal station and the French Navy based at Belle Ile.
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How ironic that a ship bearing the name Arklow Venus was one of two to respond to a stricken boat built in Arklow.
Jeanie is a museum ship, not really suitable for sail training, and damn slow too.
I was very annoyed by the "reporting" in the Oirish Mail from an "unnamed eyewitness"(possibly a message board somewhere) who questioned how a "supposedly seaworthy vessel with an Irish Flag could sink"
The People who report like this are scum.
The people who make unfounded suggestions like that reported by the oirish mail are also scum.
Unless you were (a) part of the crew (b) part of the rescue effort, you cannot be considered an eyewitness. Instead you are just another crackpot with your own theory with absolutely no facts or evidence to back it up.
A proper investigation will be carried out, by experts in the field. Their findings will be made up of FACTS. Anything else is speculation, and opinion.
Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has them, and most of the time they are full of shit.
Give thanks that all the crew and trainees got off safely, and without injury.
Last edited by Goldie fish; 12 September 2008, 19:17.
Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.
It's a credit to the crew that there were no injuries or deaths. Don't forget how difficult a decision this would be for the captain, especially with twenty untrained and four trained souls other than his own to account for. It's well acknowledged that the boat is safer than the raft until as late as is feasible. It's a credit to his experience and the good drills of all on board that they knew when to get off and knew that she was going down :(
As for whether boats sink without human error involved. There was a yacht cruising up past Carlingford a while back. A very well maintained boat. The shaft between the tiller and rudder broke (although it may have been a wheel, I can't remember). The boat started sinking so the crew bailed out and then the liferaft started sinking. One of the crew was the agent for the liferafts in Ireland. Boats break. Boats sink. Simple fact of life. Get on a boat and yes, you DO risk drowning. Same as if you get into a car, you do risk crashing.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Jeanie is a museum ship, not really suitable for sail training, and damn slow too.
She's moored in Southampton at present. Im hoping to get a look onboard tommorow as I think her visit coincides with the Southampton boat show that is currently going on.
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