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    No, the bush was there, alright.it might have been cut down when the UN post thingie was built, which was after my time there.
    Now, malek, don't go all serious on me! I have the height of respect for the Rangers but I also have the fine-tuned cynicism of a dyed-in-the-wool Donner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malek View Post
    What.......?


    He may have being sent over to distract you. (they can be very snecky at times)

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    Rangers

    Aldi doing a special next week

    comes all all the gear 19.99
    hurry up and wait, are you back yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    Well by that statement you have told me who has. And what did you acheve by doing it?

    My point is, the majority who post about the ARW here will not have served in it or completed selection so for that reason, any discussion on the syllabus, except by the person you identified as having completed it, will be speculation and conjecture.
    Goldie is 100% right. Unless someone has done the course, it will be almost impossible to say for sure how hard it is, and even then it is harder for some than others. So there is a wide variation in peoples perception of how hard it is, depending on who they talk to.
    ( I heard its all ice creams and day trips)
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    Quote Originally Posted by herr flick View Post
    Goldie is 100% right. Unless someone has done the course, it will be almost impossible to say for sure how hard it is, and even then it is harder for some than others. So there is a wide variation in peoples perception of how hard it is, depending on who they talk to.
    ( I heard its all ice creams and day trips)



    Heres an article I came across.



    The Irish Times Magazine[/FONT]

    Saturday 01 10 2005

    Each year, Ireland’s elite-and highly secretive-Army Ranger Wing puts hopeful recruits to the test. Photographer Aidan Crawley follows the month-long selection process, a gruelling test that most will fail.






    “On my command,” shouts the instructor, “step off”. The young man in camouflage fatigues obeys without hesitation, plummeting 20m from the bridge into the icy water beneath. As he steps off the parapet he bellows “ranger”, the kind of soldier he wants to become .The bridge trial is the first of three confidence tests he will have to complete if he is to have a chance of joining the Army Ranger Wing, an elite unit of the Defence Forces.


    Based in the Curragh, in Co. Kildare, the ranger wing has played a key role in the DF over the past 25 years, supporting national security at home and abroad. It prepares for numereous military eventualities, including the storming of hijacked aircraft and foreign deployments with the UN. The rangers are also trained to deal with urban-conflict situations, such as hostage-taking, and are trained in parachuting, combat diving, small boat handling and mountaineering. The unit has been mobilised during jail riots and for VIP protection.






    The ranger wing was formed after a spate of IRA kidnappings
    in the 1970s, and that of
    The Dutch industrialist Dr Tiede Herrema, which led to a stand-off between the



    Kidnappers and security forces. After that, the government decided it needed a full-time



    Special forces unit, to help cope with such events.






    Last year, it was proposed to increase the unit’s numbers from around 100 to 120, in



    response to a heightened threat to global security and to the possibility of an attack on



    embassies in Dublin, including those of the US, Britain and Israel.






    Any member of the DF can apply for the arw annual month long test of physical and



    psychological endurance. Between 60 and 70 usually try out; perhaps only one in 10 will



    make it through. The rest fall by the wayside from injury or because they fail a test.



    Others cannot overcome their claustrophobia or fear of heights. Whatever the reason,



    they have to accept that their ambition exceeds their ability.






    Dealing with fear is a foundation for any of the tasks the wing are given. In 2003, for



    example, rangers were deployed in dangereous parts of Liberia, where they had to rely on



    their own resources to survive. Building the confidence they need for such missions



    begins on the selection course.




    The instructors are current rangers; most have served overseas, and some have trained



    with other special forces units. As one of them puts it: “ We have first hand experience of



    the selection course, so we know that, while it is tough, it is achievable. Everything we



    teach the during the course will stand to them in service.” In fact, even candidates who do



    not finish the course learn enough to benefit them when they return to their units. Many



    [FONT=Times New Roman]of those who are unsuccessful first time around apply a second time.






    [FONT=Times New Roman]The course’s fitness tests include running and marching on both roads and mountains. These are frequently followed by tests of mental agility; in a real battle, rangers may, After a long march, have to plan how to attack a target.[One of the wings’ core values is teamwork. In many of their tasks, candidates must work together while suffering from mental and physical exhaustion, often running or crawling with 15kg of kit. In one exercise they have to run up a hill with a stretcher loaded with sandbags, to represent a wounded colleague. Their lungs scream for oxygen.The pace accelerates in the final week, when the remaining candidates demonstrate what they have learned, from long range patrolling to ambush and small unit tactics. It culminates in a late night attack on “enemy hq”, fighting soldiers drawn from a reserve battalion. (The reservists are only too glad to take on the prospective rangers, not least because they will be able to say that they worked with the Army’s elite).[Whoeever survives until morning faces one last challenge before they can become Rangers.

    Before dawn they are tracked to the Glen of Imaal, in Co.



    [FONT=Times New Roman]Wicklow. At 5am they begin a blistering 40km group march to the ranger barracks.


    Less than six hours later, the march ends where it all began, five weeks earlier.



    As they march proudly through the gates they are applauded by men in green berets before being awarded theirs.




    ............. Obviously v challenging,aspects remind me a bit of UK pre parachute selection/pcoy, with its aeriel confidence test, group march, stretcher race etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard View Post
    As they march proudly through the gates they are applauded by men in green berets before being awarded theirs....
    This statement is incorrect. Rangers are not awarded their green berets until they complete their
    Continuation (sorry, not sure what the Rangers call it) training. Candidates only receive a
    "Fiannóglach" flash on completion of Selection
    "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiannoglach
    Read the sentence.
    Nobody said they got green berets.
    Only that they were applauded by men wearing them.
    I did.... this is what it said........

    As they march proudly through the gates they are applauded by men
    in green berets before being awarded theirs.
    "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    This statement is incorrect. Rangers are not awarded their green berets until they complete their
    Continuation (sorry, not sure what the Rangers call it) training. Candidates only receive a
    "Fiannóglach" flash on completion of Selection
    Basic Skills Course

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Basic Skills Course
    Thanks Dev, couldn't bloody think of what it was called
    "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    I did.... this is what it said........
    My bad, I actually read the sentence myself and removed the post. Apologies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    This statement is incorrect. Rangers are not awarded their green berets until they complete their
    Continuation (sorry, not sure what the Rangers call it) training. Candidates only receive a
    "Fiannóglach" flash on completion of Selection
    Lads if you are going to give reference to the flash please use the correct spelling . Fianóglach
    Glaine ár gcroí
    Neart ár ngéag
    Agus beart de réir ár mbriathar

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    is it true that selection for the support wing of the ARW is upon qualifications and experience in certain areas i.e transport, medical etc and not that of the quebec one selection process?

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    The Flash is spelt wrong. In 1987 it was Spelt fiannóglach.


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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    is spelling a part ofthe selection course?
    Time for another break I think......

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    Quote Originally Posted by kermit View Post
    You should inform DFHQ of that.

    http://www.mileata.ie/army/ranger/index.htm
    It’s funny that of all the references to the Fianóglach on the Irish Defence Forces web site, you picked the page with a type error. Maybe you should get out a little more.
    Glaine ár gcroí
    Neart ár ngéag
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    The typo is on the badge.


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    is spelling a part ofthe selection course?
    Might explain the lack of books published by former members of the ARW

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    MOD: Keep to the thread!

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    God the airport in pedanticland must be a busy one....what with everyone visiting this time of year.....
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    My Final say on the whole thing is

    Of Course it is that hard..otherwise every clown and his mother would apply and pass.Its not for the faint hearted.

    easiest way to find out..is try it and come back and tell us.

    Mutter Nutter. That signature clip is brilliant.. the gusy reactions are fantastic..maybe he should try the Wing after he leaves school.
    Time for another break I think......

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    Ah, the search function, isn't it wonderful?

    As an answer to the first question in the thread, i refer to a previous post I made.....




    Quote Originally Posted by Snacker View Post
    Hell??? It can't be that bad!
    I remember a Cosantoir article that called 1st day of training "Like opening the gates of Mordor".



    So yes, that bad.
    I appreciate that you're my employer, and an old man besides....

    But if you don't take your goddamn hands off me, I will cut you in half.

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    sky had the doc TWO WEEKS IN HELL about the green berets... how does it compare to our arw

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    From what I hear, similar, though the numbers are smaller.
    The ARW learnt much of their art in the US.(Though mostly Fort Benning, Georgia)


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker View Post
    Ah, the search function, isn't it wonderful?

    As an answer to the first question in the thread, i refer to a previous post I made.....
    One does not simply tab into Mordor...

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    I've had the the great experience of being an observer to a selection course, knowing some who were instructing and candidates.

    The course I saw started out with just under 50. I happened to be in the area on their first day for other reasons.

    The next time I saw them was out on the ground and they had been reduced to about 25. This was about 10-12 days later.

    By the time they left the ex AO 10 days later they were reduced to less than 10. I understand this was reduced even further in the following 48hrs.

    I watched the "2 weeks in hell" programme last night. From what I can make out IMO the ARW place more emphasis on actual skills like patrolling/nav/tactical than the tasks the Green Berets were giving like the trailer and water barrel tasks.

    Saying that - both courses are very similar in that from what I saw - candidates do a lot of tabbing with a lot of kit a lot of the time in the dark.
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