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    All the above suggests to me why the whole organisation needs to be reset by the DoD. If the DF really wants the RDF and to have a proper structure, it can put in the proper resources and some bodies to do the leg work and let it fly. Otherwise the whole thing may as well just be wound up.

    I understand a lot of members on here have put years of work into the organisation but really what is the point if it's not fit for purpose?

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    Don't read into my use of the word 'retirement' in my table. It simply refers to the reduction in numbers at that rank since 2012. It could be due to promotion, retirement, resignation or death.

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    When a lot of lads in the PDF are on FIS it puts it in context , thats not to say ours shouldn't be fixed but there you go.
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    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auldsod View Post
    All the above suggests to me why the whole organisation needs to be reset by the DoD. If the DF really wants the RDF and to have a proper structure, it can put in the proper resources and some bodies to do the leg work and let it fly. Otherwise the whole thing may as well just be wound up.

    I understand a lot of members on here have put years of work into the organisation but really what is the point if it's not fit for purpose?
    Bolded the bit that's the most questionable.
    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
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    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck View Post
    Bolded the bit that's the most questionable.
    So is there any point in continuing the charade then so?

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    So is there any point in continuing the charade then so?
    #motivational post of the year lol

    (whats that soldiers whinging ? surely not )
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auldsod View Post
    All the above suggests to me why the whole organisation needs to be reset by the DoD. If the DF really wants the RDF and to have a proper structure, it can put in the proper resources and some bodies to do the leg work and let it fly. Otherwise the whole thing may as well just be wound up.

    I understand a lot of members on here have put years of work into the organisation but really what is the point if it's not fit for purpose?
    It's 3 steps forward and 1 back

    DoD would want to get their own house in order - they are very much part of the problem (the DF and RDF aren't blameless either)


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    Bolded the bit that's the most questionable.
    Quote Originally Posted by Auldsod View Post
    So is there any point in continuing the charade then so?
    Look at it this way, the more the DF is reduced in size the more they are likely to have to utilise the RDF (be it supporting new equipment, enterprising ways of doing things, supporting exercises, doing duties, doing ATCA and who knows what the future will bring).

    Also if they got rid of the RDF to make the PDF have fully manned Inf Bn (within the current ceilings) they would have to lose 1 possibly 2 Inf Bns - then you have a 1 Bde army and all the knock on effects (including actually being able to complete their taskings)!

    My firm belief is that anyone over probably Capt in the PDF is supportive of the RDF. The decisions they make aren't always but they often don't realise the implications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auldsod View Post
    So is there any point in continuing the charade then so?
    Debateable (as if we haven't) but the PDF is in no great shakes either. There's less than no point in proposing any kind of reform for the RDF if the PDF badly needs a (properly executed) reform too. We're supposed to go hand in hand (no navy jokes please), not baggers vs full timers.
    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
    Who grinned at life in empty joy,
    Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
    And whistled early with the lark.

    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
    Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
    Sneak home and pray you'll never know
    The hell where youth and laughter go.

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    Has electronic payslips rolled out yet for RDF ? I've not been asked for a civvy email yet.
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    Not yet. And seems to be issues with pay. Both times ve done FTT this year there has been a 2 or 3 week wait for pay.

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    Fk sake DOD are moving to an all-public-services-shared payroll center , PDF are on electronic now wtf ?
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    Has electronic payslips rolled out yet for RDF ? I've not been asked for a civvy email yet.
    Me neither
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    Quote Originally Posted by koppiteal View Post
    Not yet. And seems to be issues with pay. Both times ve done FTT this year there has been a 2 or 3 week wait for pay.
    The PSSC outfit that do central payroll are fairly slack, delays of 2 months for non core pay are regular features.

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    Any delays in RDF pay (from experience) are on the unit side (not Galway)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Any delays in RDF pay (from experience) are on the unit side (not Galway)
    I suspect the "delays" are a result of losing cadre, the guys running the RDF desk now in the units aren't willing to risk processing pay for someone who doesn't make a camp or leaves early. It's disgraceful making bods wait for money when they may have signed off, taken unpaid leave or be self employed.
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    The delays are most like due to any of the paperwork being completed until after the event.

    The initial list is supposed to be submitted something like 3/4 weeks prior to the FTT and then any alterations made on the Monday (so if someone doesn't make it that's how it's dealt with).

    Even more complicated by the various manday restrictions.

    People leaving early is another issue, if it's known in advance you just change the number of mandays on the Monday, if it isn't then leave is more than likely a non issue with regard to pay.

    Either way another example of a simple thing being made overly complicated
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    Agreed - especially payments are electronic - button click. Not like they have to feckin count out cash, like FCA pay parades back in the day...
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    One wonders what they are up to. My statement of service says I spent 14 years as a private.
    Still, they always managed to pay me at the right rank, at least.

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    Not like they have to feckin count out cash, like FCA pay parades back in the day...
    The cash counting worked very well indeed as at the end of the week you were paid precisely what you were owed, including grat etc. Pay officers took their job very seriously indeed and it was a shame it was abolished as the Dept refuse to admit the replacement is not a workable solution for the RDF.

    Even the upcoming PMSC offers no chance of this improving.

    As someone points out above I cannot easily ask a man to take a fortnight off for SIC2 and forego several weeks without that money
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    numbers recruited by year last 7 years

    http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas....ument#WRV00800
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    ****!!! I knew things were bad but I didn't really realise how bad they were.

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    Reserve Force Personnel Strength Figures - May 2017

    https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/...ection%3Awrans

    Effective Strength is now only 1,941

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    Still overstated
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    Quote Originally Posted by TangoSierra View Post
    https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/...ection%3Awrans

    Effective Strength is now only 1,941
    Half that and you are likely closer to the mark.
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    numbers recruited by year last 7 years

    http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas....ument#WRV00800
    Inducting people in 2017 into a voluntary organisation, from a 2015/2016 panel, is a bit like a bad joke in itself,.. a waiting list for a voluntary organisation?!

    Are there many other organisations/voluntary societies/clubs in Ireland that people would willingly go through an interview process for etc., (and possibly be told 'No'), and then have to wait?

    Apart from the Freemasons perhaps!?
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