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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    incorrect - tempting, but not the case. More than that I will not say here.
    Which part is incorrect? My understanding too was the course/training had to be done first
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    Ive never done a course for duties. Got the usual briefs and then did the duties

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    There is a TS for RDF security duties.

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    RDF Officers doing o/o at my call sign and RDF SNCO's doing BOS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    RDF Officers doing o/o at my call sign and RDF SNCO's doing BOS.
    We have had RDF NCOs and privates on duties (including S/T)

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    Ive been BOS at my call sign aswell. And officers do O/O. But only on ftt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    RDF Officers doing o/o at my call sign and RDF SNCO's doing BOS.
    Dunno about your location in the past, Apod, but I do know reservists doing BOS and O/O duties in Connolly Bks Longford was a common enough occurrence in the past. A unit which was meeting itself in terms of border, regimental duties, Portlaoise, courses, sick, leave, overseas, etc. , was only too glad of the help. Did duties there myself on a couple of occasions on FTT
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    RDF Officers doing o/o at my call sign and RDF SNCO's doing BOS.
    Used to happen all the time in Clonmel and a few in Fermoy back in the day, did guard commander a few times my self while corporals were allowed to. Once promoted I didn't for various reasons. Always tended to be mid week which suited sometimes. Never had a bother doing duties if it stopped guys getting creased.

    But that doesn't make it right. Time and time again I've said it the system of duties is wasteful and morale sapping for the guys involved especially since it doesn't pay and the time off is neglegible, but no one has dared to try and address the system and get rid of the age old system the DF used.
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    Last time I did guard duty was in cathal brugha in 2002, during the world cup. About three or four guards in a week were RDF, although once I was guard commander with one PDF soldier in the otherwise RDF guard. Each time I did it we either took over from or were replaced by a PDF guard.

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    With regard to duties there is a TS to cover them (reason being there are no security duties mandays (haven’t been for a long time)) and all training mandays have to be covered by a syllabus IOT be approved.

    The TS involves a couple of hours of lectures, an understudy period and then any duties completed are completed referring to said TS.

    They are back on at my loc anyway.

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    In other news good to see Sgt promotions happening.

    My location (hope I haven’t forgotten anyone) has had 4 promotions to Sgt in the last 20 months

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    In other news good to see Sgt promotions happening.

    My location (hope I haven’t forgotten anyone) has had 4 promotions to Sgt in the last 20 months
    Four in the last 20 months? Somebody obviously pushing the issue up there. I know at least one of those who got it, possibly a second if he is still in your location. Good to see the wheels being greased a bit.

    The real issue is still recruitment in my opinion. It takes too long and there is not nearly enough of it. In my location, there's one large unit who gets tasked with running it, but the smaller corps units are suffering as the majority of the recruits passed out go to that unit to replace their numbers of wastage each year. While I am a fan of centralised training, there are massive issues with the implementation that has lead to some units literally being on life support.
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    While I am a fan of centralised training, there are massive issues with the implementation that has lead to some units literally being on life support.
    There is no sign of this changing at the moment. Agree with the line units not helping in the slightest with being greedy on manpower - who can blame them though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ODIN View Post
    Four in the last 20 months? Somebody obviously pushing the issue up there. I know at least one of those who got it, possibly a second if he is still in your location. Good to see the wheels being greased a bit.

    The real issue is still recruitment in my opinion. It takes too long and there is not nearly enough of it. In my location, there's one large unit who gets tasked with running it, but the smaller corps units are suffering as the majority of the recruits passed out go to that unit to replace their numbers of wastage each year. While I am a fan of centralised training, there are massive issues with the implementation that has lead to some units literally being on life support.
    I’d say you know 2 possibly 3

    There is at least 1 more vacancy to be filled, unfortunately some of the units have vacancies but are over establishment (I think that’s it) so they are stuck.

    There’s determination and will - we are lucky in the more senior officers we have

    Absolutely recruiting is key but if we don’t retain (especially privates & JNCOs we are pis*ing in the wind). Promotions will help retention of JNCOs. If we don’t retain good JNCOs then we can’t train any new recruits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    There is no sign of this changing at the moment. Agree with the line units not helping in the slightest with being greedy on manpower - who can blame them though.
    It’s economic of scale, why have 3 corporals in 3 locations training 6 recruits. 1 corporal in 1 location could train them (yes I realise it is much more complex than that).

    I would have all recruit training centralised at brigade level (battalion level if the numbers justify it (ie the Bn has a platoon) or say Bde minus (let’s say Clare, Limerick, Kerry, Tipperary etc).

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    For far too long the FCA/RDF concentrated on recruiting instead of retention.

    That really hit home around 2007. In the East there were multiple recruiting bans from 2000 to 2007 or be they short term.

    If you keep people they will bring in more people.

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    My unit is one of many that is dying on its knees. we have a small cadre of Ptes and weve had very little fresh blood, at one point we were almost 80 strong on a good days parade
    Now, at a push, we might get 15 all ranks. Im trying to go elsewhere as that unit doesnt have long left. Ill shortly be SIC2 qualified, but what's the point in retention, if there is nobody to train?
    I know of JNCO's promoted last year who have either left or are disillusioned because upon their RTB, they had nobody to train.
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    Quote Originally Posted by morpheus View Post
    My unit is one of many that is dying on its knees. we have a small cadre of Ptes and weve had very little fresh blood, at one point we were almost 80 strong on a good days parade
    Now, at a push, we might get 15 all ranks. Im trying to go elsewhere as that unit doesnt have long left. Ill shortly be SIC2 qualified, but what's the point in retention, if there is nobody to train?
    I know of JNCO's promoted last year who have either left or are disillusioned because upon their RTB, they had nobody to train.
    You have to retain those 15 or you’ll have zero

    If those JNCOs had no one to train (or there is a long lead time on them) - retaining them should have been a top priority

    I’ll give you an example, as a new corporal one of the first things I was involved in was a Pln in attack TEWT for all Offrs and NCOs in the Bn. It was completely new to me in terms of the subject matter. It was interesting. We got lectures on the capabilities of the Coy level support weapons we had as part of the scenario.

    The beauty of it was that it required f*ck all resources (but I’m sure a fair amount of planning etc). There was no weapons and everyone was a responsible adult:

    Book the Glen (could use any area subject to permission)
    Book lecture room
    Ration for lunch
    Transport to and from Glen
    Instructor(s)
    Maps, handouts and photocopies etc

    The Camp that year was FIBUA I think with 2*s. A few field days doing drills in various parts of barracks and then a week in the Glen (using the wooden huts divided into rooms by blankets, a derelict farmhouse and then the Civil Defence School).



    As a private the best Camp I did was all ranks Steyr convertion course with section/platoon tactics in the evenings for other ranks. Was hard and fun
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    You have to retain those 15 or you’ll have zero

    If those JNCOs had no one to train (or there is a long lead time on them) - retaining them should have been a top priority

    I’ll give you an example, as a new corporal one of the first things I was involved in was a Pln in attack TEWT for all Offrs and NCOs in the Bn. It was completely new to me in terms of the subject matter. It was interesting. We got lectures on the capabilities of the Coy level support weapons we had as part of the scenario.

    The beauty of it was that it required f*ck all resources (but I’m sure a fair amount of planning etc). There was no weapons and everyone was a responsible adult:

    Book the Glen (could use any area subject to permission)
    Book lecture room
    Ration for lunch
    Transport to and from Glen
    Instructor(s)
    Maps, handouts and photocopies etc

    The Camp that year was FIBUA I think with 2*s. A few field days doing drills in various parts of barracks and then a week in the Glen (using the wooden huts divided into rooms by blankets, a derelict farmhouse and then the Civil Defence School).



    As a private the best Camp I did was all ranks Steyr convertion course with section/platoon tactics in the evenings for other ranks. Was hard and fun

    As it stands most RDF exercises now are TEWT's
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    If the numbers here are correct the RDF is no longer of a size - particularly based on the training regime - to be any use as an infantry training-based reserve. At a t should rather be reconfigured as a sparse skills-based reserve and recruit for those. Doctors, paramedics, HGV drivers, engineers, able seamen - even pilots FFS.
    New Zealand has a reserve of similar size - but the NZ PDF is less than 5000 soldiers.
    Still, I do like the NZ reserve's basic training regime compared to what I remember of ours.
    Centralised training first.
    November (NB , this is the beginning of summer):
    Mod 1 - 2 day introduction, immediately followed by
    Mod 2 - 28 days training.
    Then the following January:
    Mod 3 - 21 days training.
    https://www.defencecareers.mil.nz/army/reserves/

    After that, training continues in home units based on what your specified career is - Mod 4 infantry, movement; 14 day driver course or 30 day aerial rigger course, gunner, field engineer, armoured vehicle crewman, medic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by expat01 View Post
    If the numbers here are correct the RDF is no longer of a size - particularly based on the training regime - to be any use as an infantry training-based reserve. At a t should rather be reconfigured as a sparse skills-based reserve and recruit for those. Doctors, paramedics, HGV drivers, engineers, able seamen - even pilots FFS.
    New Zealand has a reserve of similar size - but the NZ PDF is less than 5000 soldiers.
    Still, I do like the NZ reserve's basic training regime compared to what I remember of ours.
    Centralised training first.
    November (NB , this is the beginning of summer):
    Mod 1 - 2 day introduction, immediately followed by
    Mod 2 - 28 days training.
    Then the following January:
    Mod 3 - 21 days training.
    https://www.defencecareers.mil.nz/army/reserves/

    After that, training continues in home units based on what your specified career is - Mod 4 infantry, movement; 14 day driver course or 30 day aerial rigger course, gunner, field engineer, armoured vehicle crewman, medic.

    The vast majority of the current strength are infantry so any further reorg threatens those skilled individuals within the infantry leaving (as history has shown we don’t do reorgs well).

    Yes and the NZ reservist is paid for all training

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    those skilled individuals
    I'm somewhat able to comment on this. To what actual skills do you refer as different to any member of the Army Reserve from other corps ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    I'm somewhat able to comment on this. To what actual skills do you refer as different to any member of the Army Reserve from other corps ?
    Let’s say a plant operator (could be anything) parading with sub unit in Tralee would like to stay and use his skills but then his sub unit is gone so his skills are lost.

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    Ah but that is generic to any corps. thats an ipso facto argument
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    I suppose what I’m trying to say is like the previous reorg some of the best people we want and need would fall between the cracks

    Anyway the Specialist Reserve is hopefully going to make skilled individuals more useful
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