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    Quote Originally Posted by Auldsod View Post
    Still though, if someone is officer material and can handle the physical exertion as in this case - why not let them go for a commission in exceptional circumstances? That was twenty years ago though!
    I think the reason is that the DF don't see a need for 2nd Lts over the age of 35. Usually, in the case of through the ranks commissions, at least the ones I have come into contact with, those who get them will be full Lts, and will not be filling the role of platoon commander. The bottom line, those who go through a POT Officer course are expected to lead a platoon in the field. I have seen people in their mid 30's, 40's and even late 40's on Potential NCO and Standard NCO courses, there is no age restriction here, but there are strict rules for the officers club.
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    There is an age restriction on the PDF PNCO Cse. Well it is not so much an age restriction as a medical restriction, but you cannot attain the medical grade over the age of 40

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    There is a white paper commitment to a specialist Reserve. You can't tell me that commercial pilots and doctors over 35 and other advanced specialists won't be welcomed with open arms ; I'm watching the PDF manning very closely indeed and the help is needed more than I've ever seen in the specialist areas.

    Those were the FCA / SM days. A lot has changed since then, mostly for the better
    In relation to this comment , I agree to some extent - thats a good discussion that has a lot of meat on the bone On the other side the recruiting admin is handled now by the PDF and is widely acknowledged to be awful , worse it is one that is easy to fix and has a massive, massive payback , far out of proportion to any other single thing the PDF could help the RDF with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasia View Post
    Those were the FCA / SM days. A lot has changed since then, mostly for the better.
    The entry requirements for a commission are the same.

    There is a section in R5 27(2)(b) "A person (including a reservist) who is in possession of a university degree or
    diploma or an equivalent qualification, or who possesses other special qualifications of military value, may, subject to the existence of a vacancy in Establishments for which his particular qualifications are appropriate, be nominated to be appointed to be an officer of the Reserve Defence Force" This allows for the DF to commission someone between 35 and 45 if they have a skill that is deemed to be of military use. Also a strict interpretation of this would mean that anyone with a degree can get a commission up to 45. This is rarely used outside of medical and engineering degrees.

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    In relation to this comment , I agree to some extent - thats a good discussion that has a lot of meat on the bone On the other side the recruiting admin is handled now by the PDF and is widely acknowledged to be awful , worse it is one that is easy to fix and has a massive, massive payback , far out of proportion to any other single thing the PDF could help the RDF with.
    This was one of the things lost when Cadres were removed from units. They weren't perfect , far from it, we were luck to have an excellent cadre who did a good job and trained people to do their job from the RDF.

    Ever decreasing circles.
    Time for another break I think......

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    This was one of the things lost when Cadres were removed from units. They weren't perfect , far from it, we were luck to have an excellent cadre who did a good job and trained people to do their job from the RDF.
    this is nothing to do with that ; for years many units RDF personnel did all the recruit admin and all the cadre did was lose the forms on someones desk in Bde HQ
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    My cadre were excellent but they were also very good in another way

    We had to admin the Coy, that is the Coy (and Pln) staffs job. So we did the strength returns, enlistments, discharges, ration indents, field day applications, etc etc

    They did the harder job of actually making sure everything went in and was actually done. It was actually great preparation for the situation Iím in now where there is no cadre. If the people your admining need something you do it yourself (and copy your PDF contacts so that they are aware of it that (a) they know itís boxed off (b) if they get a call they know the score

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    Where the system does fall down is some of the personnel admin. There would be a very good case to be made for an additional PDF Admin Clerk at unit level

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo20 View Post
    The entry requirements for a commission are the same.

    There is a section in R5 27(2)(b) "A person (including a reservist) who is in possession of a university degree or
    diploma or an equivalent qualification, or who possesses other special qualifications of military value, may, subject to the existence of a vacancy in Establishments for which his particular qualifications are appropriate, be nominated to be appointed to be an officer of the Reserve Defence Force" This allows for the DF to commission someone between 35 and 45 if they have a skill that is deemed to be of military use. Also a strict interpretation of this would mean that anyone with a degree can get a commission up to 45. This is rarely used outside of medical and engineering degrees.
    So what would be the rare instance that there would be a reserve officer commissioned outside of having a medical or engineering degree? Degrees are far more commonplace asset for the modern reservist when compared to the time the legislation was enacted (statistics that would be interesting to see).

    A logistics, administration or business degree could potentially be seen as having a military value especially in staff roles. You could potentially go very broad with the above section.

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    I would say that you would almost have to be head hunted specifically for the skills you have and the reserve used as a vehicle to get you into the DF. Otherwise you would need some significant supporters who could argue your case.

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    Logs/SCM could be

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    I'm also thinking that someone who is qualified to stand a watch on a ship could be useful to the NSR and would be similarly entitled to a direct commission like an engineer or medical professional.

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    Our sole Military Judge was a reservist and commissioned straight into the PDF.
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

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    A certain Surgeon a few years back commissioned into the RDF and served as the MO to a certain unit in the DFTC.
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    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    A certain Surgeon a few years back commissioned into the RDF and served as the MO to a certain unit in the DFTC.
    That certain unit once sent a Alouette to pick up an RDF Sgt (who is an AP) from the Glen to assist in their training, he also had other Mil skills

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    The latest RDF DE officer I know of is a vastly experienced consultant military clinical psychologist

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    Have there ever been RDF direct entry officers into CIS? I would have thought that the powers that be would be falling over themselves to recruit tech-savvy graduates...

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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    Our sole Military Judge was a reservist and commissioned straight into the PDF.
    A reservist commissioned officer, moreover, and one whom Iíve never heard anything bad said about in three decades. I can also confidently guess who the Ďreservist Sgt. with AP skillsí is. Have yet to encounter our new psychologist officer in the flesh, so will hold opinions till then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Audax View Post
    Have there ever been RDF direct entry officers into CIS? I would have thought that the powers that be would be falling over themselves to recruit tech-savvy graduates...
    not that Iím aware of

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    Have yet to encounter our new psychologist officer in the flesh, so will hold opinions till then.
    friendly man, hope Iím never in a position to avail of his services but he is vastly experienced in military psychology with international militaries.

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    not that Iím aware of
    There were people promoted specifically to fill appointments in CIS and a member here, now a captain, was poached from BTC to CIS , specifically for his skillset.

    It does happen , just goes unnoticed outside most units.
    Time for another break I think......

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    I wanted to show what regular support for reservists looked like

    I follow dogfacesoldier on twitter ( Gen Abrams ) who is FORSCOM ( and is a model for senior officer engagement on social media ) Mississippe 155th Armoured Bde is deploying to CENTCOM

    take a look at the video

    https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/996919582022553600
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

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    [QUOTE=hptmurphy;459888]

    There were people promoted specifically to fill appointments in CIS and a member here, now a captain, was poached from BTC to CIS , specifically for his skillset.

    It does happen , just goes unnoticed outside most units.
    But not direct entry

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    Anyone else notice the massive increase in the latest RDF recruitment drive's social media presence? I can't remember it ever being so intense in previous years.

    I'm starting to get my hopes up that recruitment is being taken more seriously this time around!

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    Experiment to see if it makes a difference
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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