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    late 70's early 80's if I recall for going green berets for FCA

    When I joined in 1986 we had a round red F.C.A shoulder badge for SD 1s so there is precedent.

    For those PDF whose eyesight wasn't the best we also had maroon epaulettes

    The next thing, like pioneer Sgts who carry the axe, is for a small bag of sand to be proudly carried hanging from the left side of the belt to identify our heritage to our scared and nervous regular colleagues.
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    If the reason for this is the SFC, then any suggestion of a different patch or shoulder flashes defeats the object

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    Why would you need to identify who is RDF and who isn't?
    Well for starters RDF are not allowed in certain installations,as they have no business in them.
    Also we will know who we can tell to be there tomorrow or hold from going home for weeks at a time
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    So we can say "Thats only RDF" when we see people going around with beards and smigs
    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
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    I have to also say there seems to be a lot of gear queers whose ears prick up on the mention of kit , especially if the Pdf have it
    Peak caps Bks jacket etc ALL of which with black beret included are for bk life not for ops or ex.
    Let those with IT,s medicals etc be to the front of your queues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaiser View Post
    Well for starters RDF are not allowed in certain installations,as they have no business in them.
    Also we will know who we can tell to be there tomorrow or hold from going home for weeks at a time
    So what are these magical places where only the ordinary average PDF type can go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    So what are these magical places where only the ordinary average PDF type can go?
    You don't know because your not meant to know!!

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    Well for starters RDF are not allowed in certain installations,as they have no business in them.
    Also we will know who we can tell to be there tomorrow or hold from going home for weeks at a time
    Do you know what, there are no places I can think of in DF/DOD properties where an RDF soldier has not been on a duty, instructed, or had a legit job to do by which I mean he was there and had a valid reason to be there I'd offer to people to put up places and I'll knock them down but its an open forum. PM me if you think you've a place.
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    Pm sent. And not every Pdf guy can go either. And for thellheim Knocking them out unless he is full time employed in ops how will he know??

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    So what are these magical places where only the ordinary average PDF type can go?
    No 1 Tactical Fighter Wing HQ in Abbeyshrule
    To close with and kill the enemy in all weather conditions, night and day and over any terrain

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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    Do you know what, there are no places I can think of in DF/DOD properties where an RDF soldier has not been on a duty, instructed, or had a legit job to do by which I mean he was there and had a valid reason to be there I'd offer to people to put up places and I'll knock them down but its an open forum. PM me if you think you've a place.
    Well the obvious one is Portlaoise.....
    To close with and kill the enemy in all weather conditions, night and day and over any terrain

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    Quote Originally Posted by HavocIRL View Post
    No 1 Tactical Fighter Wing HQ in Abbeyshrule
    372 Heavy Hovertank Sqn. underneath the Kildare bog somewhere.
    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
    Who grinned at life in empty joy,
    Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
    And whistled early with the lark.

    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
    Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
    Sneak home and pray you'll never know
    The hell where youth and laughter go.

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    Portlaoise is not a DF property its IPS ... I worded it very carefully.
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    The laoise is split down the middle the military side has no prison staff . Without going into opsec with the military in situ there might be mumbo jumbo red tape on ownership???
    Anyway loads of other places as I pm trell..
    As for single force does this prove it won't work???
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    Quote Originally Posted by morpheus View Post
    yes i too liked the green beret... ah well, maybe we'll have a little patch behind the badge or something? single force concept however would at best suggest same for all where possible.
    I've been on record on this one before the black beret became a reality last week
    - black beret, green patch behind the badge

    That or NO patch - like the NS/NSR
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    So has L3 changed then or are the PAs going to start taking them off people who aren't entitled to them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    So has L3 changed then or are the PAs going to start taking them off people who aren't entitled to them?
    F*** knows.... when we are ISSUED with them, we can worry then... :(
    You would assume that they WON'T go on issue until L3 is amended
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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    That is wrong; employment protection is needed. There is no serious benefit unless you can qualify in something the DF needs (a long course ) or come prequalified/( or pre-experienced, for those fields where no formal qual exactly matches, like IT )
    Employment protection as re the 94s,ep issues re reserves stand banished in the meantime.Dont think all employers will be thrilled with any diruption arising and how exactly will 3 days pay be saved unlees eployers shuts down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danno View Post
    Employment protection as re the 94s,ep issues re reserves stand banished in the meantime.Dont think all employers will be thrilled with any diruption arising and how exactly will 3 days pay be saved unless eployers shuts down.
    Well, one option is tax rebates to employers when their reservist employees are on DF time
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fridge Magnet View Post
    If the black beret thing is true, I can 100% live with it.

    I merely ask one thing, please make the troops earn their beret's. I know it's not an Army wide thing but in the old Eastern Bde, Units had a great tradition of not issuing Recruits their black beret's until they became 2 Star Pte's. You'd see people around the barracks in their beret's while you wore a bush hat and it killed you, it was something you wanted.

    By all means issue the RDF black berets but make them earn them.*

    *Obviously wouldnt apply to lads who are already 3 Star Private's and above. They've done everything the DF asked of them to make the grade.
    Contrary to the rumour this was by way of making PDF recruits "earn their beret" (which was a good idea for team building, esprit de corps, etc.), this was actually done merely because of a shortage of cap badges at the time (or so I was told anyway)

    Regarding earning the head dress, I remember RDF Cav recruits on recruit training who were wearing green berets (only received their Glengarries on attaining 3 Star rank (a la their PDF counterparts
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    Quote Originally Posted by HavocIRL View Post
    No 1 Tactical Fighter Wing HQ in Abbeyshrule
    Been there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    Black berets effective 2 Bde from lunchtime 13 feb 2015 and issues were being organized today.

    Peakers on issue now for OR ceremonials

    Glengarries to remain for RDF non-cav officers but there is some rumour of 100€ charge for Officer pattern peaker if desired
    Regarding peakers for OR - personally speaking, it would be a waste of money, for the amount of occasions reservists would wear them
    Regarding peaker for officers - either issue or don't issue - again, I personally think don't need
    The beret would be the most widely worn headdress among (Army at least) reservists
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    Been there.
    Any photos?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    Any photos?
    Men in black took my camera and didn't give it back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    And Black berets for all ... just out apparently.
    Hands up all who reckoned RDFRA wernt worth the sub.

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