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    Yep. I recall signing up the previous Sept/Oct. About Nov or so, got form in the post to bring to Garda station to get stamped as to my good character. The January following I was sworn in...
    Was even shorter in some parts. A matter of weeks, and hey presto! You're being handed wrong-size clothing issue

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    So i keep hearing from the powers that be ( in the PDF of course) that the single force concept is working nicely in certain specialist corps units. Can anyone honestly tell me if this is true (some concrete examples would help shed some light) or if the Corps units are dying a painful death like the rest of the RDF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Audax View Post
    So i keep hearing from the powers that be ( in the PDF of course) that the single force concept is working nicely in certain specialist corps units. Can anyone honestly tell me if this is true (some concrete examples would help shed some light) or if the Corps units are dying a painful death like the rest of the RDF?
    Well I know of a number of people that have instructed on PDF courses, people who have instructed other militaries (and civilians) on courses, assessed PDF on PDF competitions, all aspects of introducing new software into the DF (for use in the EUBG) and replacing PDF on duties (including Bde stand to).

    I also know of someone who was sent on a course overseas (not even within Europe).

    The above isnt hearsay or 3rd hand by the way

    In my experience, if your competent and available your accepted.
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    CIS would probably be a stand out unit - at least in the technology theyve developed - a lot of it has been driven developed and deployed by reservists
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    a lot of it has been driven developed and deployed by reservists
    in fairness to that particular thing its very much a joint effort at the mo but its really exciting to see.

    Moving onto other units 6 Bn just did a PDF and RdF mortar shoot ( I follow the OC's twitter and he called it out as an SFC ) so I seem to see a lot of people diving in and working.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    in fairness to that particular thing its very much a joint effort at the mo but its really exciting to see.

    Moving onto other units 6 Bn just did a PDF and RdF mortar shoot ( I follow the OC's twitter and he called it out as an SFC ) so I seem to see a lot of people diving in and working.
    81 or 60 ?

    RDF shouldn't be doing the 81 IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    81 or 60 ?

    RDF shouldn't be doing the 81 IMHO
    Pretty sure it was a 60mm shoot. I know a couple of 6Bn RDF heads who were doing mortar training on their FTT, so presumably this shoot was the culmination of that training
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    RDF shouldn't be doing the 81 IMHO
    Why ever not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo20 View Post
    Why ever not?
    No establishment for RDF personnel in 81 plns

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    81mm is a Sp Coy weapon is it not? As Dev says, no establishment for RDF in Sp Coy
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    RDF fired 60s

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    No establishment for RDF personnel in 81 plns
    We trained on the FN when we had the 303, we trained on the steyr when we had the FN, we trained on the GPMG when we had the BrEN. It is all about interoperability, just because you are not, at this moment, going to fill a particular role doesn't mean you should not be trained in that particular role. It is a very myopic point of view, and if you are to take that position then you should not get a 154 unless you are filling a driver's appointment, nobody should do weapons courses unless they are actually filling those appointments. There should be no reservists on those CIMIC courses as we are not going to be serving overseas, in fact why is there even an RDF appointment in that school? No member of the DF should do a parachute course unless they are going to part of the Black Knights or in the Ranger Wing.

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    I did an AML 90 gunnery and DR course when I was SWA in a Cav unit.
    The theory behind all arms of the reserve is that they will fill any vacancy within the ORBAT if required. Remember "Single Force"?
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo20 View Post
    We trained on the FN when we had the 303, we trained on the steyr when we had the FN, we trained on the GPMG when we had the BrEN. It is all about interoperability, just because you are not, at this moment, going to fill a particular role doesn't mean you should not be trained in that particular role. It is a very myopic point of view, and if you are to take that position then you should not get a 154 unless you are filling a driver's appointment, nobody should do weapons courses unless they are actually filling those appointments. There should be no reservists on those CIMIC courses as we are not going to be serving overseas, in fact why is there even an RDF appointment in that school? No member of the DF should do a parachute course unless they are going to part of the Black Knights or in the Ranger Wing.
    I do take your point to a degree, the 81 is a 3-4 week course and mandays would be better prioritised but on the otherhand we don't use them all.

    There is a difference between interoperability on section level weapons and battalion level support weapons where the only people expected to operate it are the 81 pln. There is no RDF establishment within Support Coy let along 81 Pln.

    Also factor is that PDF need courses for contract renewal.

    At the end of the day it's only my opinion, but it also probably the reason all the Bdes are running ILSW courses this year for RDF.

    154 is a vital skill in short supply that will always be used (apples and oranges).

    CIMIC course I agree to a point but having said that reservists have skills that would assist (and CIMIC doesn't have to just be overseas). Anyway I believe it was changed a couple of years ago to prevent RDF doing UNTSI courses.

    You ask about why there are RDF in UNTSI, I didn't write CS4 so I don't know the rationale, however I can tell you that the 2 reservists there are well qualified in what they instruct on and their duties there. 1 of them has topped an UNTSI course and the other has done a non-UNTSI course. So it would appear that they are used and valued by the handful of PDF staff there (and previous staff as they rotate regularly). Previous Sch Comdt's of UNTSI have commented that UNTSI exercises would not be as realistic without RDF role players (coming from a Colonel with much overseas experience).

    Not all PDF who do either the basic or advanced parachute cses fall into those categories either, there's is at least 1 reservist on the Black Knights anyway

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    I very strongly agree with B20 on this. 81mm can be shot by Inf and Arty and it is very worthwhile qualifying afaics the people who come off them are useful. If OC wants to put one on and its not taking a PDF man off a sp wpns YE, and again thats the Bn 2iCs problem to prioritise for attendees off the companies and instructors and present courses of action to the boss for noms . Saying yes or no here is like working for Microsoft - technically correct, but irrelevant all the same.

    Given the OC in question i'd buy tickets for an audience to someone who wanted to sit him down and tell him
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    81mm can be shot by Inf and Arty
    Arty only do it for overseas

    and it is very worthwhile qualifying afaics the people who come off them are useful.
    not disagreeing but priorities - send someone to do 3-4 week 81 YE or 2 x ILSW YE wpns cses (can then do 66% of the jobs in wpns Pln

    Given the OC in question i'd buy tickets for an audience to someone who wanted to sit him down and tell him
    Having been a fellow student on a course with him I'd agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    I did an AML 90 gunnery and DR course when I was SWA in a Cav unit.
    The theory behind all arms of the reserve is that they will fill any vacancy within the ORBAT if required. Remember "Single Force"?
    I was serving with appointment in the same unit but did neither, why...I can't ride a motor bike and I'd had enough gunnery from my navy days but I had an appointment that didn't require me to do either but I should as a senior NCO should have had at least one of them under my belt.

    The problem being time, both were very intensive courses and can tie up people for up to 12 months...which is fine if you have endless people that can be rotated through appointments .

    Again the Reserve you look have to look at the bigger picture and actually pick the people to send on courses and often apply criteria for selection that may not be applicable in other scenarios.

    the oversight on criteria such as civilian employment etc has often been over looked and people have been sent on priority courses to be lost soon after to factors beyond the DF's control.
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    the oversight on criteria such as civilian employment etc has often been over looked and people have been sent on priority courses to be lost soon after to factors beyond the DF's control.
    tru dat
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    You'd imagine with the floods back home, the opportunity would be there to use the rdf in a meaningful way in their own community. The minister said that 30 troops are being deployed, I doubt any are reserve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck View Post
    You'd imagine with the floods back home, the opportunity would be there to use the rdf in a meaningful way in their own community. The minister said that 30 troops are being deployed, I doubt any are reserve.
    You never know the last flooding of the Shannon the AR & NSR covered some of the weekends.

    The floods previously guys turned up and were turned away

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    I don't see it happening so far dev
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    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

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    I've noticed that the latest round of advertising for the RDF has come out and just based on my social media, it seems that the advertising has went up a gear this year at least from the usual PDF sources. The adverts seem to be slicker and a lot more similar to the ads that we see for the PDF roles. I've even noticed the that COS himself has been sending a tweet or two about it.

    Do you think the campaign is a signal of more interest in the RDF from the powers that be and possibly some more energised recruitment in RDF or is this just all optics with the NCO or officer co-ordinating getting more of an advertising budget for social media this year?

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    [QUOTE=Auldsod;454030]I've noticed that the latest round of advertising for the RDF has come out and just based on my social media, it seems that the advertising has went up a gear this year at least from the usual PDF sources. The adverts seem to be slicker and a lot more similar to the ads that we see for the PDF roles. I've even noticed the that COS himself has been sending a tweet or two about it.

    Do you think the campaign is a signal of more interest in the RDF from the powers that be and possibly some more energised recruitment in RDF or is this just all optics with the NCO or officer co-ordinating getting more of an advertising budget for social media this year?[/QUOTE
    There has been no lack of engagement by the General Staff or senior PDF officers in my experience.

    I think there is recognition that action is required

    There is a reservists in DF Audio Visual Section who may be involved not sure.

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    [QUOTE=DeV;454031]
    Quote Originally Posted by Auldsod View Post
    I've noticed that the latest round of advertising for the RDF has come out and just based on my social media, it seems that the advertising has went up a gear this year at least from the usual PDF sources. The adverts seem to be slicker and a lot more similar to the ads that we see for the PDF roles. I've even noticed the that COS himself has been sending a tweet or two about it.

    Do you think the campaign is a signal of more interest in the RDF from the powers that be and possibly some more energised recruitment in RDF or is this just all optics with the NCO or officer co-ordinating getting more of an advertising budget for social media this year?[/QUOTE
    There has been no lack of engagement by the General Staff or senior PDF officers in my experience.

    I think there is recognition that action is required

    There is a reservists in DF Audio Visual Section who may be involved not sure.
    Problem being, I think said reservist is due to retire next year?
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    Speaking to you from FTT

    I'm doing most of what I do in work and helping the DF where they are savagely short . Every officer I've met supports what we're doing . A conversation at breakfast from PDF officers was about how crap R5 was from achieving what the reserve needs to do . SFC is out there. Week 2 of 3 for the year nearly done. What a difference from other years.
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