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Originally posted by DeV View PostDo the still get mileage/travel expenses as well
Not too sure what the rate is though.
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we have the same arrangement as RGJ, but what is more widely used is the 'open facilities' - any reservist from any unit can use our gym, pool and athletics facilities at any time, we get lots who pop in for an hour on the way to or from work, as well as at the weekend. we have duty PTI's that individual reservists can talk to to sort out a programme or help with particular exercise regimes, and TA units can book PTI's and facilities if they want to come up en masse either on an evening or at the weekend.
not only does it have the obvious tangible benefits in terms of fitness, but it contributes massively to the 'One Army' concept, and shows reservists that their regular counter-parts want them around, and understnd the difficulties of reserve service. its a big, fat box of moralé...
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Originally posted by Fridge Magnet View PostI'm surprised you haven't asked why, if RDF troops want to use the gym in barracks, didn't they join the PDF?
As you know, I asked that previously as a lot of RDF posters here seemed to be dissatisfied with what the RDF has to offer them and I simply suggested/asked why if it wasn't 'good' enough didn't they join the PDF.
My latest observation asked why RDF were being discriminated against by PDF, which is not a new concept in my experience and even though there's a single force concept obviously in some PDF minds it's still "them & us". All the RDF I know are willing to adapt to the single force concept but it's obvious some of their PDF comrades are not.Last edited by bunny shooter; 11 July 2013, 10:22.
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Originally posted by Fridge Magnet View PostYet if you had popped into the Brugha at any stage this week you would've seen RDF troops on the Battalion Square, parading with the rest of 7 Bn.
You'd have seen both PDF and RDF NCO's instructing RDF troops.
So yeah, regardless of all the doom and gloom talk, some places are trying to make it work.
I have often been instructed by PDF NCOs and Officers (non cadre). Nothing new there.
A serious point will be, will the PDF put in the effort to get RDF instructors up to the standard to be let instruct PDF troops? IMO that will be a significant step forward for the RDF and will go a long way to achieving the SFC.
As regards fitness tests. While all the reorg planning was going on, the RDF should have been ordered to prepare for the full fitness test to be completed by 30/4/13. As the RDF was in the doldrums from September until the last two months that would have been the ideal time to get the fitness tests bedded in. That should have been the 1st KPI. No pass = no FTT.I'm not a number, I'm a free man.
Who is number 1?
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Originally posted by The Prisoner View PostAs regards fitness tests. While all the reorg planning was going on, the RDF should have been ordered to prepare for the full fitness test to be completed by 30/4/13. As the RDF was in the doldrums from September until the last two months that would have been the ideal time to get the fitness tests bedded in. That should have been the 1st KPI. No pass = no FTT.
Except immediate Big Bang on fitness, the PDF gradually introduced fitness. It took the DOD/DF how long to print the out of date VFM report?
Big Bang on the assignment and whole reorg process didn't work.
You have to make sure the people have time to prepare, as it turned out people couldn't get ITs done for courses etc.
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1 - Medicals need to be sorted out (it is a DF requirement not necessarily what individual RDF members want)
2 - The "appropriate PT" "survey" and "test" is still to be officially defined.
What they should have said is 2013 either do the induction test (graded for age) / ITs (not seen as pass/fail), 2014 - min grade 4/5 in ITs, 2015 - ITs min grade 4Last edited by DeV; 11 July 2013, 11:28.
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Originally posted by The Prisoner View Post
A serious point will be, will the PDF put in the effort to get RDF instructors up to the standard to be let instruct PDF troops? IMO that will be a significant step forward for the RDF and will go a long way to achieving the SFC.
Only way I would see it happen is if a reserve NCO had very recently left the PDF as an NCO, but they would be the exception rather than the ruleYou're even dumber than I tell people
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Originally posted by The Prisoner View PostA serious point will be, will the PDF put in the effort to get RDF instructors up to the standard to be let instruct PDF troops? IMO that will be a significant step forward for the RDF and will go a long way to achieving the SFC.
I could be wrong but could've sworn I saw Concussion speak about it before.
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As for the big hoo hah about RDF troops using the gym in barracks on their own time....
Aside from The Prisoner, has anyone actually asked the people in their CoC to ask the CO what the craic is? Since based on The Prisoner's experience, along with Koppiteal and TD's experience, it's obviously a local arrangement.
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Originally posted by Truck Driver View PostThat is the case in the Curragh, as I use the facility myself, and no one ever had an issue
But yes, the Prisoner is correct in what he states about that location, as I have heard that also
- f***ing ridiculous carry on... :(
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Originally posted by morpheus View Postso when some of the lads i know do the PTL course... they will be qualified to do stuff that they now aren't allowed to do! eggsellent.
ok seperate matter, but related nonetheless to the RDF...
what are the exact metrics that soldiers must achieve to remain effective this year? Is it written down anywhere? Ive heard the number "32 hours of parade nights" thrown about including a caveat that says FTT on annual camp will not be considered, that they must turn up for 16 nights in 2013 to their assigned barracks?
anyone the wiser to this?
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Originally posted by DeV View Post+1
Except immediate Big Bang on fitness, the PDF gradually introduced fitness. It took the DOD/DF how long to print the out of date VFM report?
Big Bang on the assignment and whole reorg process didn't work.
You have to make sure the people have time to prepare, as it turned out people couldn't get ITs done for courses etc.
But:
1 - Medicals need to be sorted out (it is a DF requirement not necessarily what individual RDF members want)
2 - The "appropriate PT" "survey" and "test" is still to be officially defined.
What they should have said is 2013 either do the induction test (graded for age) / ITs (not seen as pass/fail), 2014 - min grade 4/5 in ITs, 2015 - ITs min grade 4
The PDF has to facilitate the ITs by making the resources available for medicals, instruction, testing, etc. And instruction is important. There's no point in pers not doing the pushup or situp correctly and then failing. I've seen it happen.
I don't give a toss whether I can use a PDF gym or not. I raised the issue to demonstrate the usual nonsense is still ongoing despite the all the SFC bull.I'm not a number, I'm a free man.
Who is number 1?
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I'd be of the opinion that given the need for Ethos change, not introducing immediate pass or get out the gate fitness tests for troops is fair enough. But officers and senior NCOs should have been seen as big enough and bold enough to do compulsory ITs straight away, ideally as part of the applications for appointments process.
It would have been a good way to get rid of a lot of the hobbyist/youth-club crowd who are currently dragging the force down.
Let's face it, the standards are not that high and for most of the over 40s they're well able to get at least a shame pass.
Eliminating the outliers of extreme physical inability or refusal to move with the times would have given the SFC a much better chance of success."It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke
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