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anyone discharged for not meeting the KPIs and who is not placed on the non effective list has grounds for redress.
They can have enough ground to build a mountain if they want. Read the section of the reg I told you and then read the supporting para in the AI, if I remember correctly it is also para 56.
It is an open and transparent mechanism where the individual is kept informed throughout the process.
Well done everyone for reading regulations on a Saturday night/Sunday morning. Are you both on shift or something ?
1. MO is correct to a certain extent. 56(h) in the current reg does indeed allow for discharge by GOC "Determination of Engagement". I've seen it used a couple of times but never for non-effectiveness, becuase:
The self-same R5 also says if you are found non-effective ( due to non-attendance, usually ) you are posted to the Non-effective list for up to 2 years, then discharged.
Which is why we have all been waiting for the changed R5 to put this stuff onto solid ground.
I listened to an officer tell us how wonderful post re org life is.
Lots of courses, ftt, equipment, exercises with our parent unit.
Has anyone actually experienced this. Cos no one in my unit bar the officers seen to know anything about it!!!
Nothing has changed. The same tired faces week in week out waiting for the promised change. But it is all still the same!
We were told we needed ITs and medical. So we done them.
We were told we had to do various tasks so we did.
And now I hear that there is a cull coming.
Is it more bluster to keep us hanging on?
Nothing will change the decline will continue, new coloured paper will say how RDF re org didn't work while conveniently ignoring why!
With little recruiting in last 5/6 years Id imagine the age profile is rising too
Here's a thought. We could go into the field and recruit 10 doctors to the RDF within a month. Put them on shoot and salute, give them all the mandays they want. GP's are sole traders so its not a problem getting time off. Solves the medicals issue. ( )
As it was put to me recently by a medical officer: the army wants to recruit consultants but pay them as SHOs. There were 2 commissioned this month with some more in the pipeline
I listened to an officer tell us how wonderful post re org life is.
Lots of courses, ftt, equipment, exercises with our parent unit.
Has anyone actually experienced this. Cos no one in my unit bar the officers seen to know anything about it!!!
Nothing has changed. The same tired faces week in week out waiting for the promised change. But it is all still the same!
We were told we needed ITs and medical. So we done them.
We were told we had to do various tasks so we did.
And now I hear that there is a cull coming.
Is it more bluster to keep us hanging on?
we must have a great unit so! ftt was ran most of the summer, during that a coy shoot rdf and pdf, joint exercise with pdf. ncos doing walk through talk through in the weeks before the exercise and more ftt training coming up as well as having done duties through out the year. the re org has been great so far.
If it were up to me, when it comes to doctors in Reserve, I'd look to give them specific incentives, like tax credits, credits against student loans, a sizeable gratuity and the opportunity to serve overseas. Something that makes giving their time worthwhile and fulfilling. If a doctor wants to offer his/her time for the public good, there's plenty of charities he/she can do that though, probably with opportunities for travel to war torn countries like Syria. If the DF wants doctors, subject to military law on a consultancy basis, then they can so through the Reserve providing they're treated with respect, incentivised and remunerated properly.
The problem is that the words "Reserve" and "Respect" seldom feature within the same sentence unless accompanied by the word "lack".
we must have a great unit so! ftt was ran most of the summer, during that a coy shoot rdf and pdf, joint exercise with pdf. ncos doing walk through talk through in the weeks before the exercise and more ftt training coming up as well as having done duties through out the year. the re org has been great so far.
Yup!
I knew a simple soldier boy.....
Who grinned at life in empty joy,
Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
And whistled early with the lark.
In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
He put a bullet through his brain.
And no one spoke of him again.
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
Sneak home and pray you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
we must have a great unit so! ftt was ran most of the summer, during that a coy shoot rdf and pdf, joint exercise with pdf. ncos doing walk through talk through in the weeks before the exercise and more ftt training coming up as well as having done duties through out the year. the re org has been great so far.
Ours too. What's more when a bunch of our good guys worked with s bunch of PDF coy good guys on exercise they got on like a house on on fire and thus mutual respect was born.
The only friction occurred when there were shitbirds on one side of the equation.
"It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke
we must have a great unit so! ftt was ran most of the summer, during that a coy shoot rdf and pdf, joint exercise with pdf. ncos doing walk through talk through in the weeks before the exercise and more ftt training coming up as well as having done duties through out the year. the re org has been great so far.
Ours too. What's more when a bunch of our good guys worked with s bunch of PDF coy good guys on exercise they got on like a house on on fire and thus mutual respect was born.
The only friction occurred when there were shitbirds on one side of the equation.
Your experiences don't fit in with the "PDF don't want us, the sky is falling down" doom and gloom attitude that some people on here have adopted.
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