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  • #61
    [QUOTE=ancientmariner;457700]
    Originally posted by Dogwatch View Post
    Why try to develop a port that dosen't have any infrastructure and a river that is very prone to silting.... The Hbr Master in Killybegs used to act as pilot before, and he retells stories of running aground numerous times trying to enter.....

    If you're wanting to get infrastructure on the west coast, then get involved in the Galway port redevelopment, loads of berthage proposed..... pay for access or rent berthage there. Also Renmore is right next door to the proposed redevelopment, so it would naturally act as the secure location for any equipment...... and Galway is a much better run ashore!

    Or if you were really wanting a greenfield site, then Blacksod Bay is the obvious location. Secure area in all types of weather. No requirement for dredging... lots of sites to establish a logs base there and build a pier infrastructure within Blacksod Bay.......

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    If we are going to build a New Port with a dedicated Naval Berth then all options should be considered. In Marine Notice No.1, from our DOM, where waters in port areas are being assessed, Sligo gets smooth waters inside the Metal man beacon and calm waters approaching the harbour. Blacksod has a lesser rating due to the fetch to the east off mountains and the north south orientation of the bay itself. I will say I held position there in force 11 while at anchor. Galway is a lock in Port at this time. Silting in harbours is a matter for dredging and maintenance of depths.
    If you co-habitate with commercial interests, then DOD (NS) won't carry the burden of dredging by themselves... port of cork being an example. Yes Galway is a lock a t present, but that's why I put up the pic of the proposed development..... the proposed development is accessible at all times (and very close to another DF establishment). Sligo is probably one of the smallest commercial ports in the ROI (maybe Youghal behind it). Blacksod is a very large natural bay, yes exposed, but as you indicated yourself, an extremely safe anchorage in heavy weather, especially in winter.

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    • #62
      [QUOTE=Dogwatch;457720]
      Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post

      If you co-habitate with commercial interests, then DOD (NS) won't carry the burden of dredging by themselves... port of cork being an example. Yes Galway is a lock a t present, but that's why I put up the pic of the proposed development..... the proposed development is accessible at all times (and very close to another DF establishment). Sligo is probably one of the smallest commercial ports in the ROI (maybe Youghal behind it). Blacksod is a very large natural bay, yes exposed, but as you indicated yourself, an extremely safe anchorage in heavy weather, especially in winter.
      The Galway Harbour project is verbally rejected by the worst Minister in the current Dail. I would support development of Galway Port but the plan needs to be more ambitious with possibly a dedicated all tides Naval Berth of at least 135 meters for MRV. We are due to spend 115Billion Euro on infrastructure with little or no mention of Port and Marine development-harbours, cargo handling, berthage, drydocks etc. In the list of European cargo Ports the only port mentioned North of Galway, is Sligo and after that Belfast and UK ports in order of accessibility. The unfortunate fact is our Dail reverts to type and the elected types want to decide where money will be spent. It is all Pork Barrel economics with no rhyme or reason. They don't have the skills other than to goad the public and each other, while some get immensely rich. Twenty percent in the Dail are Landlords-more vested interests-at least the US makes such heroes shed there assets.

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      • #63
        No port investment planned outside of Dublin, Cork and Foynes under NDP

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        • #64
          Originally posted by DeV View Post
          No port investment planned outside of Dublin, Cork and Foynes under NDP
          Such investments are pandering to already Public/Private groups with deep pockets and established customers and routes. In the last great leap Forward and National Spatial Strategy, Sligo harbour ( now under Sligo County Council ) submitted a study and proposal to skim dredge to 3 meters below Chart datum by removing some 250,000 tonnes of dredge materials but only to about 3 quay areas. The plan was to create at HWS a 1 hour opportunity for a ship with 5.9m draft to berth at a designated pier. At low water she would be sitting in the mud. The piers are currently 77m and 55m in length with ships up to 100m in length and 5m draft accepted with overhang and low water gardening opportunities. We noted in all their case making that the NS doesn't appear as a factor for harbour expansion. We are still Not developing, just reacting to passing trade like Moneypoint solid fuel Power Station. Sligo is a Government port and could be developed by bringing in Dutch Hydrostatics Engineers.

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          • #65
            Its already started - Kehoe was on the radio over the weekend in a debate about developing Rosslare - isnt that his backyard?
            "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
            "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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            • #66
              Originally posted by morpheus View Post
              Its already started - Kehoe was on the radio over the weekend in a debate about developing Rosslare - isnt that his backyard?
              His actual backyard.
              That said the port has great potential, if it was just tidied up a little. It should be getting a lot more RORO than just ferries, and it would be better if the train went all the way to the terminal again. The tracks are there, the station is there, the level crossing is there, but the train stops instead at the port entrance. Makes no sense at all. Once that is done, start taking freight by rail again...
              The port is dead, barely a restaurant left open. The town survives in spite of this, but is mostly bypassed by those going to or from the ferryport.
              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                His actual backyard.
                That said the port has great potential, if it was just tidied up a little. It should be getting a lot more RORO than just ferries, and it would be better if the train went all the way to the terminal again. The tracks are there, the station is there, the level crossing is there, but the train stops instead at the port entrance. Makes no sense at all. Once that is done, start taking freight by rail again...
                The port is dead, barely a restaurant left open. The town survives in spite of this, but is mostly bypassed by those going to or from the ferryport.
                And what makes it worse is Rosslare EUROPORT is owned by Iarnoid Eireann

                The rail service to Wexford (never mind Rosslare EUROPORT) is shocking (especially when you think that the commuter belt extends to at least Gorey).

                Depending on what BREXIT brings there could be scope for increased RoRo services. I doubt there would be room for any sizeable depot for LoLo traffic

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by DeV View Post
                  And what makes it worse is Rosslare EUROPORT is owned by Iarnoid Eireann

                  The rail service to Wexford (never mind Rosslare EUROPORT) is shocking (especially when you think that the commuter belt extends to at least Gorey).

                  Depending on what BREXIT brings there could be scope for increased RoRo services. I doubt there would be room for any sizeable depot for LoLo traffic
                  Try explaining to someone just arrived in rosslare that not only can they not use the station in the terminal but also if they plan on going to the next city in the south east (Waterford) they'll have to get a train to Dublin first.
                  Waterford still has surplus lolo space at Bellevue.
                  For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                    Try explaining to someone just arrived in rosslare that not only can they not use the station in the terminal but also if they plan on going to the next city in the south east (Waterford) they'll have to get a train to Dublin first.
                    Waterford still has surplus lolo space at Bellevue.
                    Never mind that - try explaining to them the train to Dublin left 30 minutes ago, and the next one is'nt until tomorrow morning...
                    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                      His actual backyard.
                      That said the port has great potential, if it was just tidied up a little. It should be getting a lot more RORO than just ferries, and it would be better if the train went all the way to the terminal again. The tracks are there, the station is there, the level crossing is there, but the train stops instead at the port entrance. Makes no sense at all. Once that is done, start taking freight by rail again...
                      The port is dead, barely a restaurant left open. The town survives in spite of this, but is mostly bypassed by those going to or from the ferryport.
                      Last time I was there I was sure they ripped up the the track to the terminal.
                      I remember when foot passengers where able to walk onto the ferries now they all have to get a bus.
                      The upstairs restaurant would be packed and the shop downstairs would always have somthing for the tourists. The place is empty now with a little coffee kiosk. Alot of this was of course before Duty Free was abolished and the ferries lost alot of foot passengers to the low cost airlines.

                      Never mind that - try explaining to them the train to Dublin left 30 minutes ago, and the next one is'nt until tomorrow morning...
                      I remember a couple of tourist once asking when the next direct bus to a certain location in the south east was, the answer was Sunday, and this was in the middle of the week!
                      It was the year of fire...the year of destruction...the year we took back what was ours.
                      It was the year of rebirth...the year of great sadness...the year of pain...and the year of joy.
                      It was a new age...It was the end of history.
                      It was the year everything changed.

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                      • #71
                        the rail line is still there between rosslare and waterford isnt it? is part of it a greenway now too though?
                        "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
                        "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by morpheus View Post
                          the rail line is still there between rosslare and waterford isnt it? is part of it a greenway now too though?
                          The greenway is the old Dungarvan to Waterford line.
                          I'n not sure about the condition of the Waterford to Wexford line.
                          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                          • #73
                            L.E. William Butler Yeats currently visiting Kiel, Germany. The Irish NS has a long tradition of being in attendence for Kiel week (Kieler Woche), now in its 136th year. It is joined in the historic naval port by Foreign Naval visitors from Denmark, the UK, France, Norway, Netherlands Spain and Lithuania.
                            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                            • #74
                              Eithne is Rathmullan today. There is a charity dip going on too, crew from the Eithne, soldiers from Finner and members of local sports clubs all took a swim.Click image for larger version

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by pilatus View Post
                                Eithne is Rathmullan today. There is a charity dip going on too, crew from the Eithne, soldiers from Finner and members of local sports clubs all took a swim.[ATTACH]8614[/ATTACH]
                                Did you not mean; Eithne is visiting Lough Swilly Naval Base?

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