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  • #31
    I bet only 2 token Officers wont get promoted this July

    and one will be a really good looking blondie bird
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

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    • #32
      I won't get promoted in July. Unless there's a serious batch of retirements.


      Me =


      On reading of the circular it would appear to apply to the PDF and RDF. Personally I pity those poor people on Standard and Potential NCO courses also.
      Last edited by trellheim; 31 March 2009, 16:30.
      "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

      "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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      • #33
        how do you make out the until retirement bit


        My reading of it - is that there is NO promotion

        do you really think any special exemptions will be given to mere Soldiers

        either RDF or PDF
        Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
        Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
        The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
        The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
        The best lack all conviction, while the worst
        Are full of passionate intensity.

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        • #34
          RDF affected ?

          Correct me for being confused ?
          If according to the Minister, the RDF are classed as Volunteers, not as Part-time workers, servants,etc, how does the aforementioned Civil/Public Service letter regarding promotions,etc apply to the Reserve ?

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          • #35
            The letter applies to the "Public Service" ... that IMHO is everyone who takes the shilling from the state or its agencies.
            "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

            "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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            • #36
              Originally posted by trellheim View Post
              The letter applies to the "Public Service" ... that IMHO is everyone who takes the shilling from the state or its agencies.
              Hopefully not.... the Q&A bit from the Department of Finance (http://www.finance.gov.ie/viewdoc.asp?DocID=5723) says "Permanent Defence Force".

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              • #37
                I don't think this will affect the DF in terms of promotions and so forth because the structure of the DF is different to the rest of the country.
                And likewise in how its employment practices go about.


                I think people who need their contract renewed will get it renewed. Otherwise there will be no soldiers and we will be invaded

                Sarcasm aside, I think that the army is probably going to be exempt from this on account of promotions being detrimental to the efficiency of the organisation as a whole (Be that PDF and RDF) and I don't think that this wil affect anybody in uniform.
                And as anyone will tell you, the pay in the army is at the lower scale to the rest of the government employees too.

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                • #38
                  a recruitment embargo on the reserves would kill the organization in two or three years , perhaps this has been taken into account, but if you look at the finances needed to train a PDF recruit to 3* would freezing RDF recruitment ,pay for even one plt of PDF ?
                  being involved with our recruits this year and seeing the time effort put in by them and by others i would frankly be disgusted if they were told sorry we leading ye on since January ,
                  "take a look to the sky right before you die, its the last time you will"

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                  • #39
                    The Story So Far :

                    Recruitment PDF
                    1: Enlisted - On Hold. No sign or hint of opening up any time soon.
                    2: Cadets - On Hold. No sign or hint of opening up any time soon.

                    Promotions PDF:
                    The Embargo applies on reading the circular.

                    Recruitment RDF
                    Only to a set number which most units are already at.

                    Promotions RDF :
                    Unknown.

                    The last Dail question 10th March.

                    58. Deputy Bernard Allen Information Zoom asked the Minister for Defence Information Zoom when he expects a decision to be made on whether there will be a cadet intake in 2009; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [9857/09]

                    64. Deputy CiarĂ¡n Lynch Information Zoom asked the Minister for Defence Information Zoom if a decision has been made regarding recruitment to the permanent Defence Forces in 2009; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [9769/09]

                    Minister for Defence (Deputy Willie O’Dea): Information Zoom I propose to take Questions Nos. 58 and 64 together.

                    In common with other areas of the public service a reduction of 3% in payroll costs has been applied to the Defence Forces. Recruitment was suspended in late 2008 pending consideration of the best means by which to achieve this reduction. My officials and the military authorities are keeping the situation under close review on an ongoing basis. The review and any subsequent recruitment in 2009 will prioritise the operational requirements of the Defence Forces. A decision on a Cadet intake for 2009 will be made shortly.
                    Last edited by trellheim; 31 March 2009, 18:56.
                    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Mayday View Post
                      I don't think this will affect the DF in terms of promotions and so forth because the structure of the DF is different to the rest of the country.
                      And likewise in how its employment practices go about.

                      I think people who need their contract renewed will get it renewed.
                      Will you think (hope!) that there are no tax changes for those earning under €30k as well!

                      Originally posted by greyfox View Post
                      a recruitment embargo on the reserves would kill the organization in two or three years , perhaps this has been taken into account
                      Maybe thats the plan? Stranger thinks have happened!

                      being involved with our recruits this year and seeing the time effort put in by them and by others i would frankly be disgusted if they were told sorry we leading ye on since January ,
                      Tell me about it!! Str

                      Originally posted by trellheim View Post

                      Recruitment RDF
                      Only to a set number which most units are already at.
                      I still haven't seen this document. Cadre contacted the puzzle place and pointed out a few things and they have no idea how its working. We are cracking on.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
                        how do you make out the until retirement bit


                        My reading of it - is that there is NO promotion

                        do you really think any special exemptions will be given to mere Soldiers

                        either RDF or PDF
                        Back to the 80's again hedge, embargo on recruitment and promotions.

                        There are going to be alot of dissapointed bods over the next few years.

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                        • #42
                          Stickied The Thread As It's going to be asked a lot
                          "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                          "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by dahamster View Post
                            Back to the 80's again hedge, embargo on recruitment and promotions.

                            There are going to be alot of dissapointed bods over the next few years.
                            You said it, it's deja vu all over again, at least for the more mature members... As Karl used to say “History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce", so hopefully we'll get a laugh out of this time around....

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by greyfox View Post
                              a recruitment embargo on the reserves would kill the organization in two or three years , perhaps this has been taken into account, but if you look at the finances needed to train a PDF recruit to 3* would freezing RDF recruitment ,pay for even one plt of PDF ?
                              being involved with our recruits this year and seeing the time effort put in by them and by others i would frankly be disgusted if they were told sorry we leading ye on since January ,
                              Didn't this come round as a rumour some months ago? The RDF needs regular intakes of fresh blood to keep it alive.


                              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                              • #45
                                was in barracks tonight and there is still much uncertainty as to recruit ment / camp the unusual step of issuing a application for camp a good 6 weeks before it was done in past ,
                                what i do know is our maydays have been cut by half, if we send all our recruits on a recruit camp 21 days by current syllabus( run by ourselves ) , we will not have enough to send all the trained bods on a weeks camp , add the x amount of people on career courses 21 man days and specialist courses 14 -21 maydays there is a situation where we will be forced to choose between recruiting / continuation / advancement .
                                that being said i was told it could all change next week
                                "take a look to the sky right before you die, its the last time you will"

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