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    Rdf:

    Currently : There is no ban on recruitment. (at least, no official directive to attesting officers

    there is, however, a cap.
    To re-iterate what Concussion has said : many times in the PDF people have done Standard Courses, and then awaited a vacancy in their unit.
    Last edited by trellheim; 9th April 2009 at 10:04.
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    We were told that as of 27 March there was to no more recruitment. Can unit still recruit up to their establishment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    Rdf:

    Currently : There is no ban on recruitment. (at least, no official directive to attesting officers

    there is, however, a cap.
    To re-iterate what Concussion has said : many times in the PDF people have done Standard Courses, and then awaited a vacancy in their unit.
    It is the same for many careers courses apart from recruit, 2*-3*, PNCO (usually) and Pot Offr.

    I presume upgrading people is considered a promotion?

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    We were told last night by our officers that as of Tuesday, all recruitment, overseas deployment, and integration is suspended indefinitely; with that news, our non-sworn-in recruits were sent home, as there was little point them being there. I know this news isn't exactly new to the boards here, but I just thought I'd pass on what's been said in the "real" world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwiftandSure View Post
    We were told last night by our officers that as of Tuesday, all recruitment, overseas deployment, and integration is suspended indefinitely; with that news, our non-sworn-in recruits were sent home, as there was little point them being there. I know this news isn't exactly new to the boards here, but I just thought I'd pass on what's been said in the "real" world.
    I've got 9 non-sworn in recruits, but they've passed medicals, theres one or two have to repeat the hearing test. Does ths is mean theyre gonna be sent home?
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    That's what's happened with our lot, irrespective of medicals. If they weren't sworn in they went home.

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    ok what i have heard so far:

    • recruiting (including inflight) stopped from 27th March and backdated
    • all unit mandays severly(sic) reduced
    • summer camp reduced from 2 to 1 week
    • grat is reduced down to less than half €600 paid last year
    • paid acting ceased
    • promotions ceased
    • max of 2 weeks paid to personnal


    anyone got anything else!!!!!
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    ok what i have heard so far:

    1.recruiting (including inflight) stopped from 27th March and backdated
    2.all unit mandays severly(sic) reduced
    3.summer camp reduced from 2 to 1 week
    4.grat is reduced down to less than half €600 paid last year
    5.paid acting ceased
    6.promotions ceased
    7.max of 2 weeks paid to personnal
    1. Wrong, see above.
    2. Yes. But no real official documents as yet
    3. NO REPEAT NO, 14 days currently still.
    4. NO.
    5 and 6: NO OFFICAL WORD YET. Everyone is relying on the applicability of the "Public Service" embargo on promotions, although the doc says "PDF" . NO clarification from the DOD has been received yet but RDFRA are making inquiries.
    7: Yes, except in specially authorised circumstances
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    I've got summer camp down to 1 week. 7 day Easter camp still going ahead AFAIK.

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    Lads im starting a course monday (5 days) and was then then planning on doing the 2 week camp later on in the year. Is it a unit is given so many man days and if people dont use them they can be passed to personell who will or is it just 14 days and end of story

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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    Rdf:

    Currently : There is no ban on recruitment. (at least, no official directive to attesting officers

    there is, however, a cap.
    How is this cap implemented or enforced?

    My experience is that the entire hierarchy have different interpretations of the meaning of the "recruit to Jan09 strength" instruction. Can you offer a strong argument that can be presented to counter these interpretations and support continuing recruiting activities?(sending Security Clearances / Medicals / Attestations).

    Do you believe that the instruction means that these activities should continue, but that once the RDF is at Jan09 strength, they will start rejecting (or holding) enlistment applications?

    (I open this question to anyone who can present an argument based on evidence, not word of mouth)

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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    1. Wrong, see above.
    2. Yes. But no real official documents as yet
    3. NO REPEAT NO, 14 days currently still.
    4. NO.
    5 and 6: NO OFFICAL WORD YET. Everyone is relying on the applicability of the "Public Service" embargo on promotions, although the doc says "PDF" . NO clarification from the DOD has been received yet but RDFRA are making inquiries.
    7: Yes, except in specially authorised circumstances
    wanna bet Trellheim!!!!!
    1. Definetely in place (just ask the recruits that were sent home cause their paper work was returned
    3. the apt word there is CURRENTLY. its gone to 1 week pending appeal, and thats 100% (as far as 100% in the DOD goes!!)
    4. if the full amount of €600 is payable upon 2 weeks camp etc, you know theyll renagued on paying out the full amount if camps are cut to 1.
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    Some are Bde directives, some are unit directives (if the strength think on the 1 Jan is correct it will depend on the unit).

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    Unit Effective Strength at 31 Jan 2009 = Cap.

    Rollbooks are redone 01/01/09 to start a new book and remove the noneffectives. Add anyone enlisted until 31 Jan, that is your cap, and applies on a sub-unit basis.

    I note this is for new clearance requests.
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    I have been informed that recruitment in the East for the RDF has been stopped.

    All career cses ARE going ahead in the East - this is from the GOC this morning.

    Mandays are still 14 days per member (except for career cses) BUT this is subject to (and expected to) change (downwards).

    That's the latest.
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    from RDFRA.ie

    The Government has announced a moratorium on promotions and recruitment to the Public Service, including the Defence Forces, with effect from 27th March 2009. Despite the official Department of Finance press release referring to the Permanent Defence Force only, the Department of Defence has interpreted the instruction as applying to the Reserve Defence Force. This means that no RDF post, however arising, may be filled by recruitment, promotion, or by the payment of an allowance for the performance of duties at a higher rank. Any exceptions to this principle will require the prior sanction of the Minister for Finance.

    This instruction supersedes the previous instruction limiting recruitment to the RDF up to the effective strength as at 31 January 2009.

    RDFRA is seeking clarification of the following matters affected by the Government decision:

    * That potential recruits that have already started the lengthy enlistment process and have taken part in pre-induction training will continue to have their applications processed and be enlisted in due course.
    * That advancement of recruits and 2 star privates to 2 star and 3 star privates respectively will continue as it is advancement rather than promotion.
    * Promotion competitions that have been advertised will be completed and the successful candidates be promoted.

    RDFRA is opposed to the operation of the moratorium in the Defence Forces as given the voluntary nature of the RDF, the negative impact this action will have on the morale and operational effectiveness of the organisation will by far exceed any financial savings gained.

    PRESS RELEASE - Cancelation of Overseas Service for RDF.

    The Minister for Defence has announced that arising from the Government Decision on recruitment and promotion in the civil service that it has become necessary to postpone indefinitely the pilot process currently underway to have members of the Reserve Defence Forces serve overseas.

    RDFRA is deeply disappointed that those skilled members of the reserve who volunteered for this assignment will not be able to demonstrate their valuable skills and worth to the wider defence community.

    However RDFRA wishes to take this postponement as an opportunity to address the many concerns this association had in relation to the welfare and conditions of employment of reservists serving overseas that had not yet been addressed.

    RDFRA would also like to point out that had the necessary legislation been drafted and passed in a timely manner, the subsequent moratorium on recruitment and promotion would not have impacted on reservists going overseas
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    Quote Originally Posted by concussion View Post
    We were told that as of 27 March there was to no more recruitment. Can unit still recruit up to their establishment?
    No - recruiting suspended - full stop - this has superceded the original instruction that
    you are referring to

    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    I presume upgrading people is considered a promotion?
    There's mention on the RDFRA site that they are requesting clarification as to whether
    2* - 3* is upgrading or promotion

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    I've got 9 non-sworn in recruits, but they've passed medicals, theres one or two have to repeat the hearing test. Does ths is mean theyre gonna be sent home?
    Yes, I'm afraid so

    Quote Originally Posted by sgt View Post
    ok what i have heard so far:

    • recruiting (including inflight) stopped from 27th March and backdated
    • all unit mandays severly(sic) reduced
    • summer camp reduced from 2 to 1 week
    • grat is reduced down to less than half €600 paid last year
    • paid acting ceased
    • promotions ceased
    • max of 2 weeks paid to personnal
    Am presuming that you are referring to Acting during FTT only, as this is the only
    time that RDF personnel can serve in an Acting Rank

    Quote Originally Posted by koppiteal View Post
    Lads im starting a course monday (5 days) and was then then planning on doing the 2 week camp later on in the year. Is it a unit is given so many man days and if people dont use them they can be passed to personell who will or is it just 14 days and end of story
    14 Days - end of story - is what I' ve been told, and at that, in the same breath, I heard
    that Annual Training will be capped to SEVEN days, this to ensure that only the lower
    grat is paid...
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    Eastern Bde (30 March) => max 14 days (up to 21 days in extreme circumstances with Director's approval)
    No misc days (ONLY annual training/course)
    Last edited by DeV; 9th April 2009 at 19:14.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kermit View Post
    Including those already in the system - i.e. at least security clearance sent off - but haven't been attested yet ?
    As I said above, our mob were at this point in the system and were told the news by the
    Pln Offr on the last Training Parade
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    Cadre are not in the chain of command but they are usually the first to read the routine orders and I would take a pdf CQ's word over a rdf Comdt's!
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    Including those already in the system - i.e. at least security clearance sent off - but haven't been attested yet ?
    is the subject of some debate at higher levels currently, awaiting word back.

    Flashbang, the information you mention is not part of R.O's. Do not listen to the Cadre on this matter [ yet]
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    Quote Originally Posted by flash bang View Post
    Cadre are not in the chain of command but they are usually the first to read the routine orders and I would take a pdf CQ's word over a rdf Comdt's!
    That just says it all

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    If you read the post I never said that it was in R/Os I merely stated that the cadre see the R/Os before the RDF staff do! I still stand over that last statement......sorry if I have hurt any officers feelings
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    A friend of mine text me there asking were we all being disbanded in february.

    Apparently a RDF Cavalry Comdt. Called all his troops together and told them that they were being disbanded in February.

    He also said a PDF BS/CS said the same thing.


    Any truth to it?

    Does anyone know of any Senior Officers making such statements?
    I probably am wrong, sorry about that!!!

    Please PM me to correct me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazzler View Post
    A friend of mine text me there asking were we all being disbanded in february.

    Apparently a RDF Cavalry Comdt. Called all his troops together and told them that they were being disbanded in February.

    He also said a PDF BS/CS said the same thing.


    Any truth to it?

    Does anyone know of any Senior Officers making such statements?
    There has been far too many rumours floating around, especially regarding disbandment. No such order has been given. While in these uncertain times nothing can be ruled out, the only orders that have been issued are:
    1. Integration has been postponed.
    2. Overseas for reservists has been postponed.
    3. Mandays has been restricted to 14 days per person with exceptions requiring approval from D Res.
    4. The recruitment and promotion ban in the civil service applies to the RDF.

    All the above orders are documented and have been distributed to each unit. If you hear anything else from anyone else you should ask have they seen it written down, if they haven't then they are oprating on rumours.

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