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    I think this promotion embargo isa great idea.

    There are currently vacancies in my Unit and the glory hunters have been turning up and putting their faces about recently. Now just watch them disappear again and wait for the excuses why thay can't attend.
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    Why is everyone so down about the RDF having a Recruitment Embargo? This could be the best thing that ever happened to the Reserves if we let it be.

    Since there will be no new lads in for the next 1.5 years the RDF Should bring in Mandatory Fitness tests to be completed by April 2010. They should run a few Courses for PTI's and such so when the time comes for new recruits they can be trained in fitness as well.

    I actually have a huge "manifesto" of sorts at the moment that I am writing about the problems with the RDF and how this Embargo can be a positive thing. I will post it here when I am done with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazzler View Post
    Since there will be no new lads in for the next 1.5 years the RDF Should bring in Mandatory Fitness tests to be completed by April 2010. They should run a few Courses for PTI's and such so when the time comes for new recruits they can be trained in fitness as well.
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    Cant run a PTI course for Reserve when limited to 7 or max 14 mandays
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZULU View Post
    Cant run a PTI course for Reserve when limited to 7 or max 14 mandays
    Ya, there is that, but that can be lifted with the stroke of a pen. All the Dept of Finance said was No more people Paid. They didn't say the reserve can't do as many days as the powers that be want us to do.
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    How long is the PTI course 8-10 weeks?

    You mean to say someone is going to do that for free?
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    Dazzler, the RDF has massive turnover as it stands. Add to that the fact that nobody is going to be happy with having no chance of promotion in the next 2 years, and even more people are going to start leaving, with nobody to replace them. And you want to start throwing people out for not passing a fitness test? Bring in an ethos of fitness, yes, but now is not the time to start telling people "get fit or get out", as it will bring units to manning levels that are too low to even attempt most training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZULU View Post
    How long is the PTI course 8-10 weeks?

    You mean to say someone is going to do that for free?
    No, not unpaid, what I meant was they Dept said no New people being paid and noone getting higher pay. They did not say that the Reserve can't be paid for every week done no matter how many weeks.

    I was not aware how long the course was though, so I suppose my arguement is null. But, BTW I would do it given the chance, even if I am definitely not fit enough at the moment!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Dazzler, the RDF has massive turnover as it stands. Add to that the fact that nobody is going to be happy with having no chance of promotion in the next 2 years, and even more people are going to start leaving, with nobody to replace them. And you want to start throwing people out for not passing a fitness test? Bring in an ethos of fitness, yes, but now is not the time to start telling people "get fit or get out", as it will bring units to manning levels that are too low to even attempt most training.
    If they are given 1 year to get fit and can't hack it, then yes I am saying throw people out on their asses. There should be noone in the reserve who is incapable of getting fit enough for a Grade 4 in the IT's within 1 year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    now is not the time to start telling people "get fit or get out", as it will bring units to manning levels that are too low to even attempt most training.
    Maybe this is a good thing. It certainly removes the "your services no longer required" talk if the Mil Auth and DoD move to cut the RDF established strength. I'd say 30% would be cut out

    Quote Originally Posted by Dazzler View Post
    No, not unpaid, what I meant was they Dept said no New people being paid and noone getting higher pay. They did not say that the Reserve can't be paid for every week done no matter how many weeks.
    Eh, yes they did. There is a cap on the amount of mandays you can do.
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    I heard today from a colleague in our HR that much of the ADMIN in HSE is to be whittled, and redistributed. Because of the high age profile in my dept, it is expected that we will take much of the middle management. God help us.

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    What the hell has age got to do with middle management
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    Our lot are old, all approaching retirement. The HSE has lots and lots of middle managers in their late 30s early 40s. Our old middle managers are all planning their early retirement... nobody is getting promoted, the HSE have them to spare.


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    It depends on the agency really.


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    The HSE has continued to interview in the past, including overseas when there was no positions here - it is one thing they are good at doing, spending money on non front line areas....
    The gov even encouraged extra Therapist courses to be started, when the state was the only empolyer....and decided not to hire..
    Hopefully they do hire more Medical staff - my point is that left hand often doesnt even know there is a right hand - never mind what it is doing.
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    And there was me thinking this post was about the recruitment embargo for the DF.

    Who cares about the HSE.

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    There are dispensations for the health & education sectors.

    The bad thing about the recruitment embargo is the resources, time & money that went into the system that has now been wasted.

    The potentially good thing is we can now spend the next 1.5 years improving the standard of training.

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    In fairness, EMT's etc are frontline services which are desperately needed (more now than ever) unfortunately soldiers (pdf&rdf) are not. I would much prefer to see frontline medical staff being recruited than no one at all!

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    What about when they are serving overseas? doing escorts ? etc

    What about those you have been invested in? eg training cadets, recruits, getting recruits to attestation is expensive enough

    What about those who join since circa 94 on contracts that may not have them renewed

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    i joined after 1994 and i have just had my contract renewed this month.
    no one will not be signed back on unless they deserve not to be (which was the case anyway!)
    Its going to be a case of any one who has served 21+ leaving and not being replaced!
    in my (small) unit there are at least 5 who are leaving because they are afraid that grat will be taxed. These guys wont be replaced.

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    I think your right spud the grat is looking good to be taxed

    my own crowd are suffering the same fate a lot of senior lads are leaving because of this fear

    one thing that petrifes a lot of them

    is if B Lenihan backdates the tax to include 09-

    maybe the only way out is splurge the grat on wine women and song

    let his get that back out of me
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    i thought grat was taxed at source anyway, and later refunded in the form of a tax rebate?
    anyway, people taking retirement for the purpose of getting grat tax-free would need a new source of income;
    the army pension may not sustain their families or lifestyle and social welfare top-ups only come about if the pension is below the applicable minimum level of social welfare;
    even then, the top-up will only bring their income up to the level of the applicable minimum social welfare payment;
    eg army pension for retired soldier and spouse of, eg, €250 weekly falls below minimum social welfare payment applicable to 1 adult & 1 adult dependent of, eg, €300 weekly;
    welfare will top up to the sum of €50 weekly, still little enough to exist on;
    If grat is to be taxed for keeps, then the retiring personnel would be better off retiring at the commencement of the tax year, not acquiring further employment, thereby not having sufficient income to be in the tax net and thus qualifying for a tax rebate on their grat;
    i'm sure the staff services personnel in the barracks would be able to give guidance in these matters and perhaps even arrange for group rates for financial advice from reputable accountants;

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    Military Gratuities are not subject to tax at all
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