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  • #91
    as mentioned in the "What barracks should close...." thread the future of a survivable RDF seems to be units solely based in the large barracks that are full-time occupied.

    as the PDF units concentrate in a smaller amount of locations, posts like sluagh halls, etc. around the country will quickly become unviable on travel and running costs basis. the RDF units will have to concentrate like the PDF units on central locations. in effect, the idea of a battalion having companies spread over a geographical area will die off.

    this will have the benifits for the units that PDF units have seen in relation to training facilities, weapons access, reduced duties, etc. however the big drawback for RDF units is volunteer personnel willing to travel large distances for a few hours training each week.

    looking forward ahead from that situation, a return to reserve companies, etc. in parent PDF units would probably the best way to utilise the reserve in the future. the end of the RDF as a stand alone entity but for the remainder, a much closer working relationship with PDF and increase in capability because of co-location within the PDF unit. in effect, the entire reserve would be integrated into the current PDF establishment, e.g. 5th inf bn with existing coys + 1 reserve coy.

    whether this would be by design or just the way things develop naturally remains to be seen.
    Last edited by X-RayOne; 18 July 2009, 12:28.
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    • #92
      Those who are overstayers in married quarters could be in for a shock

      150 married quarters of which a third [50] are over stayers to contribute €100,000 for this privilage

      That works out at €2,000 per married quarter [some €166.67 per month /€38.46 per week EXTRA a shock for some

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      • #93
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        • #94
          Originally posted by X-RayOne View Post
          as mentioned in the "What barracks should close...." thread the future of a survivable RDF seems to be units solely based in the large barracks that are full-time occupied.

          as the PDF units concentrate in a smaller amount of locations, posts like sluagh halls, etc. around the country will quickly become unviable on travel and running costs basis. the RDF units will have to concentrate like the PDF units on central locations. in effect, the idea of a battalion having companies spread over a geographical area will die off.

          this will have the benifits for the units that PDF units have seen in relation to training facilities, weapons access, reduced duties, etc. however the big drawback for RDF units is volunteer personnel willing to travel large distances for a few hours training each week.

          looking forward ahead from that situation, a return to reserve companies, etc. in parent PDF units would probably the best way to utilise the reserve in the future. the end of the RDF as a stand alone entity but for the remainder, a much closer working relationship with PDF and increase in capability because of co-location within the PDF unit. in effect, the entire reserve would be integrated into the current PDF establishment, e.g. 5th inf bn with existing coys + 1 reserve coy.

          whether this would be by design or just the way things develop naturally remains to be seen.
          Seems to make sense. Is this the best option for a truly relevant and integrated reserve in the future?

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          • #95
            Why
            Moderated by Monday IMHO
            "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

            "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Fitter View Post


              Assuming recommendations are implemented. Would it be fair to assume that

              opportunities for those who work within support units of the RDF who fail to meet the

              academic civilian training requirements i.e. medics without any civilian medical skills

              Engineering officers without Engineering Degrees etc) or any RDF personnel who

              is not necessarily expendable to the DF , will be expected to go first ?


              Whereas in contrast those RDF personnel who maybe of a lower rank, but who still

              hold the necessary civilian qualifications in their respective battalion (medicine

              engineering) which are recognised by the DF - will be kept on as part of a smaller

              integrated reserve.


              Is this too pre-assumptious to call or could this be considered a fair comment ?


              Discuss.
              VERY few civilian qualifications are actually recognised apart from the 2 you have mentioned

              Originally posted by goc132 View Post
              I reckon the Reserve will be re intergrated into pdf units pre 1979 i.e. There will be no stand alone RDF units left and the saving on Cadre will see about 250-300 of the 500 PDF savings needed the rest will be natural wasteage thats just wht I think will happen and for the RDF left the training will probably be better.
              Ie the integrated model that was supposed to happen with the reorg, except the non-integrated would be gone.

              Originally posted by Groundhog View Post
              You lads seem to be unable to grasp that this is about cutting numbers. So moving lads from integrated to non integrated in the context of McCarthy is a meaningless exercise.

              The report says cut the RDF by two-thirds so for example if there are 12,000 personnel in the RDF they want it reduced to 4,000.
              The report also calls for an RDF that contributes more to the PDF, realistically the only way it can is with integration

              Originally posted by ltsmarty View Post
              Hi goc132,

              Sounds awfully like the Integration Model !!

              I totally agree with your opinion. Furthermore, as each PDF unit in an occupied post has a daily Orderly Sgt (24 hour duty), this duty can also serve the Reservists on their training night/day,etc and receive the cadre allowance !
              Therefore, no need for separate cadre at all !!

              Hence the RDF will become urbanised ! into what the Brits call 'super barracks'.

              Home location is not an issue for the TA, in relation to their Trg Bks, as they get paid for travel !, and structure their training schedule to suit those traveling.
              If you have a centralised unit in barracks, maybe only in addition personnel are required

              Originally posted by Border Bunny View Post
              Scrap the RDF full-stop. We have a first line reserve. The LDF/FCA/RDF started life during The Emergency, it ended in 1946 so do we need a group of kids and old people who have no role in the DF. All they care about is money they are getting for doing no notting.
              Incorrect the Volunteer Force was formed in the 20s/30s
              We don't get paid for the vast majority of what we do




              Originally posted by Border Bunny View Post
              All the RDF do is 2 hours a weak plus the odd 'camp' (like boy scouts) what is their role in the DF.

              The PDF apart from Defence of the State carry-out Barrack Guards, MSGs, CITs, Brigade Stand To, Prisoner Escorts, EOD, Portlaois Prison Security, Central Bank Security, Security and Night Patrols of Goverment Buildings - Foreign Embassies - Airports - Docks etc etc. plus all our overseas missions.

              What do the RDF do???

              If we need Support in an Emergency it be the First Line Reserve Called Out.
              The State also have The Civil Defence who also Aid the Civi Authorities and they do it unpaid Voluntarily in their spare time.

              If you 'Love It' so much why are you not in the PDF?
              There are plenty of RDF personnel who do duties but they aren't allowed/let by the PDF!

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              • #97
                overall numbers associated with the RDF
                What we don't know - is this establishment or actuals enlisted. Since it's not in the report only DOD would know I'd say.
                "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by trellheim View Post
                  What we don't know - is this establishment or actuals enlisted. Since it's not in the report only DOD would know I'd say.
                  I'm presuming its the strength, cutting the establishment will not save any money.

                  I really hope when/if it does happen they do a reorg and not just reduce the authorised strength.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by kermit
                    If you go back and read what I said, it's exactly what the report says. Funding for the RDF is to be cut by 5.6m (66%) - the establishment is to be cut by 4900.

                    A.3 Reduce the Reserve Defence Force by two-thirds
                    There is scope to find additional savings from the Reserve Defence Force (RDF) and there is emerging evidence that the direction set for the RDF in the Defence White Paper (which was published in 2000) is not providing the desired result. It may be that a smaller more focused Reserve could deliver more usable capability to the Defence Forces for less expenditure. The D/Defence is seeking to prioritise a Value for Money and Policy Review of the Reserve Defence Force in order to critically examine the Reserve and make recommendations for its future development. A review of the contribution of the Reserve and a reduction in strength could result in additional savings on expenditure. It is recommended that the allocation for the Reserve Defence Force be reduced by two-thirds which will yield savings of €5.6m and a reduction in the overall numbers associated with the RDF of 4,900.
                    Then either the report contradicts itself or Colm McCarthy has reorganised the English language.
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                    • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                      define 'rural' ?

                      The re org was supposed to have removed the outposts...if they are gone it can oly mean that Barracks outside of the main centres of population would be for the chop..addall thses up and you'll probably find the cost of operation meets the requirement for reduction.

                      While the reductions are aimed at the RDF.. the higher number this reworking would in effect also reduce the cadre staff and civilian admin people in the department which would possibly equate to the number for reduction in the PDF.

                      By reducing one you meet your targets with the second , and it would suit the COS..who doesn't want the RDF any way and would be willing to trade it to retain a three brigade structure.
                      In this case "rural" could end up meaning the outside the gates of any PDF 24/7 manned post!

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                      • Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
                        when that heap of horse dung the Equitation School does eventually close there are comrades up there who are going to be redeployed to other non horsey units the enlisted personnel should by right keep their grooms pay its not their fault their Unit is gone so why should they suffer fianancially
                        But they won't have to deal with horse**** any more.
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                        • RDFRA Response to An Board Snip Nua Report.

                          The Reserve Defence Forces Representative Association have reacted angrily at the recommendations by "An Board Snip Nua" to cut RDF numbers by two thirds. We are particularly disappointed in the lack of communication between the board and ourselves when coming to these recommendations. This shows a complete lack of understanding by the Board of the contribution the Reserve Defence Force makes to the security of the nation and the vital social benefit to the community that the Reserve brings by encouraging young people to take civic pride in service to the state.



                          The organisation has already experienced a 33% reduction in strength post the re-organisation in 2005. This decision will lead to a reversal of the significant improvements in the standard of training that the Reserve has achieved since 2005 thus making the investment made by the government in the Reserves obsolete. The Reserve Defence Force budget represents only 1% of the defence budget while giving the nation a capacity to increase its defence personnel assets by 7,200 (a 70% increase) in times of need.



                          The Government should consider carefully the impact these recommendations will have on its citizens and volunteers should they be implemented. We have already seen a significant increase in the number of Irish men and women applying to join the British Army and Territorial Army since the recruitment ban to the Reserve. After negotiating a right not to involve Irish citizens in foreign wars, should the government go ahead with these recommendations they are virtually guaranteeing that this will happen as more and more Irish citizens will face combat in warzones such as Afghanistan in the service of another state, because they are denied the opportunity to serve in their own Country's Reserve.

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                          • So people suddenly decided to decided to join a full time, fully operational foreign force because they couldn't join a part time organisation at home?

                            Bit of an odd one isn't it?

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                            • Originally posted by Hello Alaska View Post
                              So people suddenly decided to decided to join a full time, fully operational foreign force because they couldn't join a part time organisation at home?

                              Bit of an odd one isn't it?
                              Indeed,
                              Possibly the worst arguement ever put forward for retaining the RDF...

                              "So they don't join another Army!"


                              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                              • Originally posted by Hello Alaska View Post
                                So people suddenly decided to decided to join a full time, fully operational foreign force because they couldn't join a part time organisation at home?

                                Bit of an odd one isn't it?
                                The TA will accept people living in the south!

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