The DF & An Bord Snip

[hedgehog]

Steady on Luchi

have a read of what I posted and then when youthink about it

you will probably edit your post-

when I am referring to sub - I am talking about the only type of sub available

to the ordinary Soldier- gained through an escort-

we dont actually have the luxury of pulling into the nearest barracks at lunch time

whereas your probably referring to sub by cadre or TPT persons

well I know nothing about that bit so I didnt post about that bit.

[hedgehog]

The principle about subsistence allowance and the uniform allowance is exactly the same

No its not- and the strage thing is you know its not.

A sub form is submitted to say that Soldier X is entitled to subsistence allowance because .....
and then normally the time date why wherefores are given-

all that is pure fact- in CBB it is backed up by the gate log- the OSgts log the OO ammunition diary and then signed by Unit OC as a true statement.

The Certificate for Officers Uniform allowance goes exactly like this
This is to certify that No.... Rank .. Name.... Unit... Is entitled to claim (State Sum) in respect of MAINTANANCE of uniform allowance (see LOI X of X)

Signed _____ Claiming Officer

I certify that the above claim for MAINTANANCE of Uniform Allowance is ( then goes on to say that its in order and the claimant is entitled to the allowance)

the differecnes are

1- one of the allowances is over 500 quid a year and one works out at about slightly over 35 quid for an escort- guess which is which.

2- a sub is submitted because at its simplest a lad was away from his home station for meal times ( thats its most simplest) -
whereas a uniform allowance is given for the upkeep and maintance of a uniform

If you draw sub and you werent away from your home statin etc then your a thief

If you get uniform allowance and dont spend it on your uniform then your a thief

would you agree with me on this point

[hedgehog]

As I said before I broadly agree with you on married quarters but its all relative. Many married junior officers stationed in Dublin would love the chance to get married quarters for a few years but they are blocked by senior officers that are in them for years. Privilege Of Rank (POR) I suppose. POR is probably misused in every military organisation but a military organisation could not function without it.

Feck the junior Officers- I would love to move my tribe in there and rent out this place- fecking sure I would-

Do you remember the can of worms that got opened the night of the fire when it was discovered that a certain officer didn’t live it his married quarters at all, his daughter and her friends did but he didn’t. Then you have the Padre. Nice man and all that but isn’t he not allowed to get married, so why is he in married quarters? ?

I remember it well- both his daughters had the gaff- one of them slapped the gate policeman that night- he pulled them out of there within 2 hours- It was said he never made COS because of that slap-

they were 2 fine looking frisky mares- 1 a bank girl 1 an aer lingus girl

[Jessup]

Yeah it cost him but f*ck him. He wasn't called 'Insincere Bill' for nothing. Not a nice man and one of the worst abuses of Privilege of Rank that I ever heard of. I always wondered how it never made in into Phoenix or the main newspapers.

What ever happened to the gate policeman? I heard the CCTV caught the slap as it covers the gate. It was a clear case of assault. I'm guessing he didn't press charges but did he get 'compensated' in other ways :wink:

I heard one rumour (but cannot confirm) that he got a two year trip to UNFICYP shortly thereafter.

[Jessup]

If you draw sub and you werent away from your home statin etc then your a thief

If you get uniform allowance and dont spend it on your uniform then your a thief

We're destined not to agree on this. You're not comparing like with like.

• The first example is a false claim
• The second example is the subsequent use of funds from a valid claim

By your logic it's not the allowance but what you spend it on. If you draw sub to which you are entitled but are a closet anorexic and don't spend it on food then you're a thief!

By that logic most people shouldn't get the children allowance!!

[Goldie fish]

By that logic most people shouldn't get the children allowance!!

That is correct. An Bord Snip nua thinks so too.

[hedgehog]

Yeah it cost him but f*ck him. He wasn't called 'Insincere Bill' for nothing. Not a nice man and one of the worst abuses of Privilege of Rank that I ever heard of. I always wondered how it never made in into Phoenix or the main newspapers.

What ever happened to the gate policeman? I heard the CCTV caught the slap as it covers the gate. It was a clear case of assault. I'm guessing he didn't press charges but did he get 'compensated' in other ways :wink:

I heard one rumour (but cannot confirm) that he got a two year trip to UNFICYP shortly thereafter.

Insincere Bill that brings it all back-


The cameras didnt catch it- because they were in the hut at the time- but there was a PA with him and her sister was there also- I think as soon as she slapped him she realsied what she had done- the sister dragged her out and the PA wanted to issue her a set of black and blues,

The OO was called and he told the 2 girls to go traight to their house and not move from it- the few friends they were trying to get into the Bks were dispersed.

The OO called the BDO who called DFHQ who called Bill himself- Bill came up, apoligised and the girls were out of their within 2 hours.

The gate policeman is a very nice bloke he knew she was a silly girl who did something stupid- he let it go at the apology, as I said he is a decent skin.

The Cyprus rumour is just a myth, though he should have been given a nice little number somewhere but you will never hear him moan or throw breaks about it.

I always had the suspicion that he is quiet kinky and actually liked it.

[hedgehog]

There isn't. The cost of the initial SD1 uniform is more than the allowance.

wrong
Year 1
The first uniform allowance is bigger than the yearly ones- most say it is not enough to buy the fancy stuff with

but bear in mind the SD No 1's you pass out of the Cadet School with are free so in theory you dont need to get a new SD No1 for the first couple fo years

Year 2
Uniform allowance - still in the free suit- but you have to buy mess dress or get the loan of a mates- or a lad going on his ticket
so we can safetly say year 2's allowance is legit spent

Year 3
Your in college- and even if your not you barely wear the SD no 1's - no upkeep- pocket the allowance

Year 4
See year 3

Year 5
If your still the same size as you were in the Cadet school then see year 3
if not You have to fork out on a new outfit- or buy one of a lad going on his ticket

Year 6- 12
Either Year 3 or year 5

[Jessup]

Bord Snip Nua thinks it should be means tested.

They are well aware that it like every other allowance under the sun while unvouched can be spent on whatever the hell you like. The issue arises about the allowance being given to those who don't need it.

So an officer an Inf Bn wearing DPMs most of the time fails the means test while an officer in Aras passes it.

That can be a bit of a blunt instrument so I think the best suggestion here about the uniform allowance was to make it a vouched allowance.

[hedgehog]

Originally Posted by hedgehog
If you draw sub and you werent away from your home statin etc then your a thief

If you get uniform allowance and dont spend it on your uniform then your a thief

We're destined not to agree on this. You're not comparing like with like.

The first example is a false claim
The second example is the subsequent use of funds from a valid claim

What a really polite way of saying fraud

When you submit for Uniform allowance its for the year already gone- so if you look for an allowance to maintain something you never maintained then you can be accused of

subsequent use of funds from a valid claim

Or as we working class hereos say-
Fraud- deception- skull duggery- theft- robbery- dishonesty- car insurance fund etc

By that logic most people shouldn't get the children allowance!!

I am 100% with you on that

Michael O Leary's wife is in receipt of childrens allowance

That can be a bit of a blunt instrument so I think the best suggestion here about the uniform allowance was to make it a vouched allowance.

So the lads who were abusing the system now can go out and simply by getting a receipt they get the money

If you give me 20 minuets I can get you a receipt for a Nuclear Submarine-

[Jessup]

I told you we were destined to disagree on this one

[hedgehog]

read the add ons first and then surrender.

What Unit were you in

[Jessup]

We should start with the Corps. Four if you add in FCA one :wink:

Seriously the receipts would work. There are only a few military tailors and the risk of submitting a false receipt just isn't worth it.

Look what happened to the beauty queen. The fake duty log was treated more seriously that her heading out clubbing.

[hedgehog]

Are you also including the talior who is located in Film City Pristina

or the Tailor from Tyre

or the etc etc

I seriously could get you a receipt for a Uniform and if I could do it-

Why not just issue them like we get ours

in fact why not use the same tailors and the same material-

there thats another saving I have made

[Jessup]

Why don't we go like the IDF so and just have the DPMs? Sure we should have kept the .303s and not got the FN never mind the Steyr while we're at it.

Make changes that deliver the best return with the minimal amount of resistance. No need to go up the middle with smoke because you'll get a DSM when a sneaky left flank would achieve the same objective with far less casualties.