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My point is that, from my limited exposure to Bde level operations, there appears to be a number of jobs that could be done by lower ranks but because it is in HQ there is a CS/CQ rank attached to the post.
there are only a few CS's in Bde HQ (PDF) in the East
they all hold very very senior NCO apointments and in positions that require that rank
they are not paper shufflers-
There is only 1 CQ ( that I am aware of in Bde HQ) he is a CQ thats his job.
from my limited exposure to Bde level operations
RBION
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
[QUOTE=hedgehog;269047]there are only a few CS's in Bde HQ (PDF) in the East
they all hold very very senior NCO apointments and in positions that require that rank
they are not paper shufflers-
There is only 1 CQ ( that I am aware of in Bde HQ) he is a CQ thats his job.
According to Dante the famous italian poet hypocrites inhabit the lowest rank of hell.
Funny how in hedgieland NCO's in eastern brigade HQ require rank to carry out their positions, but officers sent overseas to command foreign troops and officers don't. Maybe we can sent out a captain to command a mulitnational Brigade, because all the other armies won't mind their officers taking orders from somebody whose lower in rank then they are, and the senior officers in a multinational hq are going to take the opinions of a captain really seriously, aren't they? Just like a sergeant in 2 bn is going to take advice from a corporal from Eastern Brigade HQ, which is why the job is therefore a SNCO position.
Why not reduce senior nco ranks in line with the cuts you're proposing to senior officers, we can then have lots of three stars with nobody to manage them. Coming up for promotion yourself when the embargo ends?
Maybe we can sent out a captain to command a Brigade, because all the other armies won't mind their officers taking orders from somebody whose lower in rank then they are. All the generals in a hq are going to take the opinions of a captain really seriously, aren't they.
Yes actually.
The Commandant of the Naval College regularly attends conferences with other Naval colleges around the world. In ireland, this position holds the rank of Commander. Everywhere else, it is held by Rear Admiral or above. Our representative doesn't have to take a back seat because of his rank. There was a report about it in An Cosantoir about a year ago.
It is the appointment, not the rank that matters.
Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.
Funny how in hedgieland NCO's in eastern brigade HQ require rank to carry out their positions, but officers sent overseas to command foreign troops and officers don't. Maybe we can sent out a captain to command a mulitnational Brigade,
Surely a man would not be sent out to do a job that he could not do.
IF your scinario were to happen surely said capt would be someone that would have the respect to command.
I can see where you are comming from but if you have to give a man a title to be taken seriously then we are surely in trouble.
Then again, we have a small naval service, but we send a officer of a very high rank in the NS. if somebody does an important job, be it as a commissioned or non commissioned officer, he should be given a rank and salary, sutiable in lines with the Df management structure, which contrary to hedgie's comments aren't overburdened with pen pushing senior officers.
While you could argue that cutting officers and SNCO would free up funds for new two stars and cadets, how you going to attract people and retain them if there are no vacancies to promote them to.
luchi the military is a very heirarchial society, no matter where you go, and status is important.
there are only a few CS's in Bde HQ (PDF) in the East
they all hold very very senior NCO apointments and in positions that require that rank
they are not paper shufflers-
There is only 1 CQ ( that I am aware of in Bde HQ) he is a CQ thats his job.
According to Dante the famous italian poet hypocrites inhabit the lowest rank of hell.
Funny how in hedgieland NCO's in eastern brigade HQ require rank to carry out their positions, but officers sent overseas to command foreign troops and officers don't. Maybe we can sent out a captain to command a mulitnational Brigade, because all the other armies won't mind their officers taking orders from somebody whose lower in rank then they are, and the senior officers in a multinational hq are going to take the opinions of a captain really seriously, aren't they? Just like a sergeant in 2 bn is going to take advice from a corporal from Eastern Brigade HQ, which is why the job is therefore a SNCO position.
Why not reduce senior nco ranks in line with the cuts you're proposing to senior officers, we can then have lots of three stars with nobody to manage them. Coming up for promotion yourself when the embargo ends?
Normally I put " I dont understand your point" as a delaying tactic so I can think up a witty answer -
But Paul I really dont understand this thread.
My previous thread is about the senior NCO level in E Bde HQ- its as simple as that.
I regularly take advice from Cpls and Privates- it will be the foolish day that I dont take advice from them-
We are an under resourced Defence Forces- being in it and being at the coal face so to speak I know where our weaknesses are- we have lads meeting themselves coming off duties-
Everyone on here who is serving still will tell you that bods on the ground are in short supply-
but for some reason we are over the establishment strength for Cols and Generals
and under teh establishment strengths for BSM's- BQ's and all the way down to Pte level.
Maybe the foreign lads on here will know this - but do the Brits/Canadians/Americans etc have a ratio of 1 General to 734 Men,
1 Col to 693 Men
1 Lt Col to every 533 Men.
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
The Commandant of the Naval College regularly attends conferences with other Naval colleges around the world. In ireland, this position holds the rank of Commander...
... which is equivalent to an Army Lt Colonel, which to me, is a relatively senior rank
"Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"
Valid point. But as someone else said, it's a small service we have...
"Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"
In the current context, the question arises as to whether the cost of the RDF
(2009 provision €10m) can be reduced. Indeed, the real question is the more
fundamental one as to whether the continued existence of the RDF can be
afforded at all.
Yes well thanks for that.
Last edited by trellheim; 15 September 2009, 17:00.
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