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Originally posted by hedgehogMy favourite moment was when theOriginally posted by hedgehogred headed old dear got a smack on her ginger head
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The reality is that the effective strength of the RDF is probably not much more than the figure of 4,900 they recommend. This is borne out by the figures in respect of gratuities paid last year and recent figures provided in response to Dail questions on effective strength. A figure of less than 1,500 was given for the East.
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The reduction of 20 DoD employees interests me. Since the 1980's the PDF has been reduced to 10,500 from about 16,000 and the reserve has falen from 22,000 to about 12,000. I'm open to correction on my figures. How has the numbers employed in the DoD kept pace with these reductions? Or has it? What are the old ratios and the modern ones?Will and reductions be in the actual DoD civil service ranks or will it be the likes of BFW workers etc. Do the Sir humphries always look after themselves? Is there a story here Dublinmick?
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Originally posted by HavocIRL View PostCould someone clarify for me is the 500 members they plan to cut from the DF, PDF or RDF?sigpic
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Originally posted by hedgehogMy favourite moment was when theOriginally posted by hedgehogred headed old dear got a smack on her ginger head
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Originally posted by hedgehog View PostIt is extremely clever and devious
I was petrified that would would recomend all our future overseas be with the UN
because they refund whereas PFP etc you pay as you go
We after all now have to pay our own way in defence.
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Originally posted by paul g View PostNo Chance, the Eu wouldn't stand for it.
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Originally posted by hedgehogMy favourite moment was when theOriginally posted by hedgehogred headed old dear got a smack on her ginger head
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The full effect of the recommendation for Defence:
Cut PDF personnel by 520 (4.5%) over 2-3 years
DOD staff cut by 20
Cuts in expenditure - € 25m in pay, € 20 m in non-pay (see below) plus savings of € 8.5m elsewhere
Consolidation of the command structure (but preserve the 3 brigade structure) total of € 53.4m
Reduce the RDF by at least 4900 (2 thirds)
More barracks closures & disposal of surplus properties ASAP! (33 already identified by DOD)
Review Cathal Brugha with a view to sale and moving of personnel to other existing DF locations
Charge full rents to overholders of married quarters
Disband the Equitation School
DOD to prioritise VFM review of RDF
Extend the timeframe of the NS fleet replacement programme
DOD/DF charge the full cost of support to other agencies to the other agency
DOD/DF charge the full cost of MATS missions to other Departments (with a view to potential outsourcing)
Overseas peacekeeping expenditure to be counted as part of overseas aid (report says it is against OECD rules)
End participate in Chad in March 2010
Rationalise overseas commitments to a smaller number of key missions
Deferral of the replacement of Asgard II indefinitely & terminate the sail training scheme
No proposals with regard to Army Pensions
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Originally posted by DeV View PostCharge full rents to overholders of married quarterssigpic
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Originally posted by hedgehogMy favourite moment was when theOriginally posted by hedgehogred headed old dear got a smack on her ginger head
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Its important to remember that these are proposals, and are not set in stone. And there will be opposition to the plan.
Asgard is a key example, they've suggested getting rid of it for years ago, but didn't.
Chad for example is another area, were we to leave there, it would annoy the EU.
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Surely the reduction in reserve could be done with the stroke of a pen. I mean is it the overall strenght they want to reduce or the effective strenght. The books have lied for years as to the numbers. just stop lying. Bord snip appeased.Trouble, Trouble, I tried to chase trouble but its chasing me.
Trouble, trouble, trouble with a capitol T
do do do do do do do da do do do. etc etc......
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Originally posted by HeraldHave the replacement NS ships been mentioned?
Not too keen on the wording. It infers that the need for new ships is not a real one, which is typical coming from a bunch of number crunchers.
Extend the time-frame of the vessel replacement programme
The D/Defence notes that there is a ‘requirement’ to initiate a vessel replacement programme to
sustain the Naval Service flotilla as certain ships reach the end of their operational lifespan. In the
current budgetary crisis, the Group recommends that this replacement programme be extended over
a longer timeframe than initially envisaged.
Page 52(depending on your version of Adobe)
The same people suggest that the Gardai Don't need new patrol cars either... Oh and Lets close lots of Garda stations, to double the mileage thats on the current ones!
Last edited by Goldie fish; 16 July 2009, 22:28.
Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.
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Originally posted by paul g View PostIts important to remember that these are proposals, and are not set in stone. And there will be opposition to the plan.
Asgard is a key example, they've suggested getting rid of it for years ago, but didn't.
Chad for example is another area, were we to leave there, it would annoy the EU.
Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.
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