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    Cathal Brugha Barracks
    In particular, the Special Group considers that there is no need for two large Army barracks in
    Dublin and the future of Cathal Brugha Barracks should be reviewed with a view to possible sale.
    Given the scale of any relocation, the provision of alternative accommodation would entail a
    significant up-front cost and a lead-time of some years. It is recommended that, as part of an
    overall consolidation programme, the D/Defence should bring forward a detailed feasibility study
    for the disposal of Cathal Brugha Barracks and the relocation of the personnel stationed there to
    other sites within the Defence Forces portfolio. This rationalisation of premises will contribute to
    the reduction in numbers in the Permanent Defence Forces.
    Rationalise property portfolio
    As well as barracks, the Defence property portfolio consists of a diverse range of facilities including
    8 training facilities (accounting for 16,800 acres), 7 firing ranges (1,091 acres) and 26 Reserve
    Defence Force premises (22 acres) as well as renting 51 properties for the Reserve Defence Forces.
    The D/Defence has identified 33 properties for disposal at an aggregated estimated value of €51.2m.
    Although these valuations were prior to the recent correction in the property market it is reasonable
    to assume that rationalising the property portfolio should lead to a substantial once off benefit to the
    Exchequer. The Group recommends that the rationalisation of the Defence property portfolio be
    commenced by preparing for sale property that is not fully and economically utilised by the
    Defence Sector.
    Table 5.4 Defence - Measures identified for Programme A
    Annual savings
    Indicative Share of Pay Savings €16.5m
    Indicative Share of Non-Pay Savings €13.3m
    A.1 Charge full value of rent to ‘overholders’ of married quarters €0.1m
    A.2 Discontinue the Army Equestrian Team €1.0m
    A.3 Reduce the Reserve Defence Force by two-thirds €5.6m
    Total Current Savings €36.6m
    Associated Defence personnel reductions 325
    A.1 Charge full value of rent to ‘overholders’ of married quarters
    Nearly a third of the 150 married quarters are occupied by ‘overholders’ (army personnel who do
    not vacate their quarters following their discharge) and these are charged the standard rent plus
    10%. While the D/Defence policy is to discontinue the provision of married quarters in a managed
    and orderly way, the Special Group recommends that the full market value of rent should be paid by
    ‘overholders’. This will yield savings of approximately €0.1m a year.
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    A.2 Discontinue the Army Equestrian Team
    The Group sees no justification for the Army Equitation School as part of a modern professional
    defence force or for its funding through the Defence Vote, or public funds, and recommends that the
    State funding be discontinued and doing so should yield savings of €1m a year.
    A.3 Reduce the Reserve Defence Force by two-thirds
    There is scope to find additional savings from the Reserve Defence Force (RDF) and there is
    emerging evidence that the direction set for the RDF in the Defence White Paper (which was
    published in 2000) is not providing the desired result. It may be that a smaller more focused
    Reserve could deliver more usable capability to the Defence Forces for less expenditure. The
    D/Defence is seeking to prioritise a Value for Money and Policy Review of the Reserve Defence
    Force in order to critically examine the Reserve and make recommendations for its future
    development. A review of the contribution of the Reserve and a reduction in strength could result
    in additional savings on expenditure. It is recommended that the allocation for the Reserve Defence
    Force be reduced by two-thirds which will yield savings of €5.6m and a reduction in the overall
    numbers associated with the RDF of 4,900.
    Programme B – On-Island security and support to other agencies
    The purpose of this Programme is to contribute to on-island security and stability by providing, on
    request, aid to the civil power (ATCP), aid to the civil authority (ACA) and other emergency and
    non-emergency services. The extent of output under this Programme is demand-driven from yearto-
    year. This Programme accounts for total gross expenditure of €138.9m in 2009 and 1,452
    members of the Permanent Defence Forces, 15 civil servants, 28 staff of the Civil Defence Board
    and 105 civilian employees .
    Table 5.5 Defence - Measures identified for Programme B
    Annual savings
    Indicative Share of Pay Savings €3.5m
    Indicative Share of Non-Pay Savings €2.8m
    Total Current Savings €6.3m
    Associated Defence personnel reductions 70
    Extend the time-frame of the vessel replacement programme
    The D/Defence notes that there is a ‘requirement’ to initiate a vessel replacement programme to
    sustain the Naval Service flotilla as certain ships reach the end of their operational lifespan. In the
    current budgetary crisis, the Group recommends that this replacement programme be extended over
    a longer timeframe than initially envisaged.
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    Charge the full economic cost of aid-to-civil power, aid-to-the-civil-authority and non-emergency
    services
    The bulk of outputs under this Programme are provided to and in support of other Departments and
    Agencies (e.g. Departments of Agriculture, Food & Fisheries and Justice, Equality & Law Reform
    as well as An Garda Síochána). The deployment of the Defence Forces in these activities
    minimises the requirement to duplicate State services and utilises defence resources to achieve
    maximum value for money. In order to enhance transparency in costs for the Defence Forces of
    these activities, it is recommended that the full-economic cost of these services be charged to the
    relevant agency.
    Charge full economic cost of Ministerial Air Transport Service to Departments
    The Air Corps also provides the Ministerial Air Transport Service (MATS). In 2007, these
    accounted for 15% of missions by the Air Corps but 24% of flight hours. It is recommended that
    Departments be charged the full economic cost of this service in the interests of transparency, and
    to provide opportunities for these services to be procured from private sector providers where this is
    more economical.
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    Programme C – International peace and security
    The purpose of this Programme is to contribute to the maintenance of international peace and
    security through participation in approved United Nations mandated peace support, crisis
    management and humanitarian relief operations. It accounts for total gross expenditure of €161.6m
    in 2009 and 1,865 members of the Permanent Defence Forces and 23 civil servants.
    Table 5.6 Defence - Measures identified for Programme C
    Annual savings
    Indicative Share of Pay Savings €4.2m
    Indicative Share of Non-Pay Savings €3.3m
    Total Current Savings €7.5m
    Associated Defence personnel reductions 90
    Overseas peacekeeping expenditure to be counted as part of Ireland’s expenditure on foreign aid
    Given the significant contribution that this Programme is making to overseas development by
    guaranteeing the security of people and property, it is recommended that this expenditure count as
    part of Ireland’s expenditure on foreign aid. While the Group is aware that such a recommendation
    is inconsistent with the OECD’s Development Assistance Committee rules and that military
    expenditure (even for humanitarian purposes) does not come within the standard international
    accounting treatment of ODA, the Group considers that Irish commitments in this regard should be
    reflected within Government accounts by reference to the totality of humanitarian related
    expenditure, thereby fully recording Ireland’s distinctive tradition of whole hearted engagement in
    peacekeeping operations.
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    Rationalise Ireland’s overseas commitments
    While participation in overseas missions helps to maintain the readiness of the Defence Forces these
    missions involve the commitment of significant resources, both in terms of supplying forces abroad
    and the domestic costs associated with this. At the end of 2008, 31 members of the Permanent
    Defence Forces were involved in 7 UN-led peacekeeping operations, 469 personnel were serving in
    two EU-led crisis management operations (425 in Chad and 44 in Bosnia and Herzegovina), 247
    personnel were deployed in two NATO/PfP-led peace support operations (240 in Kosovo and 7 in
    Afghanistan) and 5 personnel were serving in four OSCE led missions.
    Until March 2009, when Ireland’s mission to Chad became a UN-led mission rather than an
    EUFOR mission, Ireland paid all its own costs. As a UN operation, the UN will take over the direct
    supply of certain goods and services and will reimburse Ireland in respect of certain troop and
    equipment costs. It is estimated that the UN reimbursement will be some €8.5m a year; the
    corresponding cost of these goods and services to the D/Defence is some €16.2m a year (the total
    mission cost is considerably higher). The Minister for Defence has indicated to the UN the
    possibility that the state of the public finances may not permit the extension of Ireland’s
    participation in the mission beyond March 2010.
    The Group recommends that Ireland end its participation in Chad in March 2010 and rationalise its
    overseas commitments to a smaller number of key missions.
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    Programme D – Defence Policy, military advice and corporate services
    The purpose of this Programme is to provide the best possible defence policy advice and military
    advice to the Minister in order to support management of all aspects of defence provision and
    facilitate planning for future needs. This Programme accounts for total gross expenditure of €40.3m
    in 2009 and 296 members of the Permanent Defence Forces, 266 civil servants and 12 civilian
    employees.
    As part of the Department’s ongoing management review process, an external evaluation is
    underway of the staffing and operation of the Defence finance function (currently located in
    Renmore, Co. Galway).
    Table 5.7 Defence- Measures identified for Programme D
    Annual savings
    Indicative Share of Pay Savings €0.7m
    Indicative Share of non-Pay Savings €0.6m
    D.1 Reduce staff numbers in D/Defence in proportion to the reduction in the
    Permanent Defence Forces
    €1.0m
    D.2 Close the sail training scheme (Asgard II) €0.8m
    Total Current Savings €3.1m
    Associated staff savings 20
    Associated Defence personnel reductions 15
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    D.1 Reduce staff numbers in D/Defence in proportion to the reduction in the Permanent Defence
    Forces
    In line with the reduction in the numbers of Permanent Defence Force personnel, the Group
    recommends that there be a proportionate reduction in the number of D/Defence staff. This
    recommendation would reduce the number of staff by 20 and yield savings of €1m a year.
    D.2 Close the sail training scheme (Asgard II)
    In 2008, the sail training vessel, Asgard II, sank off the French coast. It is understood that the terms
    of the insurance policy allow the proceeds to be credited to the Exchequer. The Group recommends
    that any plans to build a replacement be deferred indefinitely. This will yield a once-off saving of
    €3.8m as well as ongoing savings of €0.8m a year from the termination of the training scheme.
    Programme E – Military Pensions and Gratuities
    Various pensions, gratuities and other benefits are paid out of Vote 37 Army Pensions. This
    Programme accounts for total gross expenditure of €209m in 2009 and 2 civil servants.
    There are no proposals for savings in this Programme.
    Appendix to Detailed Paper No. 5
    Table 1 Non-commercial semi-State body
    2009 (unless where otherwise specified) Capital Current of which –
    Pay
    Staff Nos.
    1. Coiste an Asgard
    Gross Expenditure - €0.8m €0.5m
    of which: Exchequer - €0.8m €0.5m
    2
    Table 2 Civil service offices
    2009 (unless where otherwise specified) Capital Current of which –
    Pay
    Staff Nos.
    1. Office of the Ombudsman for the Defence Forces
    Gross Expenditure - €0.6m €0.3m
    of which: Exchequer - €0.6m €0.3m
    4
    2. Civil Defence Board
    Gross Expenditure - €6.2m €1.3m
    of which: Exchequer
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    any word on pensions df ones

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    I go to all the trouble pasting that and you dont even bother reading it...

    Programme E – Military Pensions and Gratuities
    Various pensions, gratuities and other benefits are paid out of Vote 37 Army Pensions. This
    Programme accounts for total gross expenditure of €209m in 2009 and 2 civil servants.
    There are no proposals for savings in this Programme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    I go to all the trouble pasting that and you dont even bother reading it...
    sorry gf i flicked straight to the quote button

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    There seems to be some confusion on the rdf proposal. They are not seeking to reduce the establishment by 66%. they are calling for 4,900 (about 45%??).

    Its the money thats to fall by 66%. So an even more poorly funded reserve per capita. Unless there are big savings in closing the rural units like transport and rents.

    4,900 would probably mean that the current effective strength becomes the establishment with too many chiefs, not enough indians and noone where their needed.

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    This whole publication appears to be made up of suggestions that the various departments have given the Bord Snip as "worst case scenarios". The amount of measures that have already been leaked before the publication of the report was amazing.

    I do agree with Docmans analysis though. It's integrated or bust. I've been saying this since 2006. Where's my redundancy?

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    while it is a worst case scenario publication we are very near to being in economic doomsday , there may be an element of a shopping list to it but every department is going to have to go shopping perhaps there is scope for a department to make savings elsewhere and not pick directly off the list but equivalent savings must be made ,
    with the DOD willy will have to be seen to be active and say what you want about willy he is a loyal party man he would probably sell us all to the taliban if he was told to.
    nobody within the DOD or the army is going to fight on the reserves behalf and given that equipping and manning the PDF must be the priority . the 5 million saved while small is the price the army must pay the piper , it wont be the most painful cut for the army therefore it will happen ,
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    Quote Originally Posted by kermit View Post
    Get rid of the Bde HQs, with the exception of a core of staff. What the 58 of them in each Bde do is a mystery. Reduction ~ 150

    The RDF is supposed to be a mirror of the PDF organisation. Get rid of the C & D Coys from the Battalions that have them. This will lead to a reduction of 133 x 13 = 1729.

    Camp Staffs. WTF like? Reduction 66 * 3 = 198

    RDFTA - no requirement for anyone below the rank of Sgt. A lot of the officers can also go - Catering School? UNTSI? etc. Reduction 15

    The Integrated Reserve. Contraversial? The model didn't work. Everyone should be of that standard to begin with, not just a select few. Reduction - 2656.

    2 AD Bty - 1 AD is close enough to Dublin & Baldonnel. Reduction 83

    Total Reduction - 4831. Close enough for me.
    Am assuming that these reductions are in ESTABLISHMENT figures, as against
    ACTUAL figures ? Seeing as there's no way the Camp Staff element in any
    RDF LSB is up to a full strength of 66 !

    I feel that the outfits in Non Permanent posts may well be at risk

    As for the 500 to be cut from the PDF - well anyone who's conduct or medical
    record is questionable would have to be looking over their collective
    shoulders at this point in time...
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    Mod Proposal : Should we split this into separate threads

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    a reduction of 500 in the PDF

    over 2-3 years

    thats slighty over the average natural wastage for that period

    but dont forget the flock of horses from the Eq school are on the strength of the establishment

    and seeing as they are going to be burgers in France soon that

    gives us a head start of 30 Cpls off the strength straightaway
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    Quote Originally Posted by hedgehog View Post
    a reduction of 500 in the PDF

    over 2-3 years

    thats slighty over the average natural wastage for that period

    but dont forget the flock of horses from the Eq school are on the strength of the establishment

    and seeing as they are going to be burgers in France soon that

    gives us a head start of 30 Cpls off the strength straightaway
    Will the grooms transfer as waiters to the officers mess?

    Same kind of work really

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    Quote Originally Posted by kermit View Post
    OK, so where is the reduction of 4900 going to come from? Here are 4 proposals.

    Get rid of the Bde HQs, with the exception of a core of staff. What the 58 of them in each Bde do is a mystery. Reduction ~ 150

    The RDF is supposed to be a mirror of the PDF organisation. Get rid of the C & D Coys from the Battalions that have them. This will lead to a reduction of 133 x 13 = 1729.

    Camp Staffs. WTF like? Reduction 66 * 3 = 198

    RDFTA - no requirement for anyone below the rank of Sgt. A lot of the officers can also go - Catering School? UNTSI? etc. Reduction 15

    The Integrated Reserve. Contraversial? The model didn't work. Everyone should be of that standard to begin with, not just a select few. Reduction - 2656.

    2 AD Bty - 1 AD is close enough to Dublin & Baldonnel. Reduction 83

    Total Reduction - 4831. Close enough for me.
    Way too complicated.

    Here is my proposal.......

    Have a mandatory fitness test for ALL ranks and ages brought in from January and any unfit / lazy b**ger who fails gets the chop. No excuses and no hiding behind rank.

    You will be left with a leaner reserve in more ways than one and a much more useful one at that because it will be the fit and/or dedicated ones who will make the effort to pass.

    Job done overnight.

    You see the easy answer is always there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    Am assuming that these reductions are in ESTABLISHMENT figures, as against
    ACTUAL figures ? Seeing as there's no way the Camp Staff element in any
    RDF LSB is up to a full strength of 66 !

    I feel that the outfits in Non Permanent posts may well be at risk

    As for the 500 to be cut from the PDF - well anyone who's conduct or medical
    record is questionable would have to be looking over their collective
    shoulders at this point in time...
    The Cadre element is roughly 480... alot of older sweat who wll walk when there centres close.

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    The NS fleet will have to soldier on.

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    A major reorganisation of the RDF will be required....

    DOD has recommended (to An Bord Snip (not the other way around)) RDF location closures, we are talking about a minimum of 18 locations (thats if ALL ranges & training facilities are sold, which isn't going to happen, so it will actually be more). That is 23% of RDF locations in non-permanent posts.

    "Strucural change" in the RDF has been recommended (that means units will close!)

    Reductions of 4,900 RDF personnel - if structural change is happening it will mean the establishment is reduced, but if this is 4,900 non-effective or unfilled establishment posts what will that save?

    Not top of this there will be cuts in the RDF budget of €5.6 million (on top of the cuts in December).


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    PDF Cuts, they are proposing that the cuts being in the following areas:
    Equitation School & RDF Cadre - 325
    ATCP, ATCA, NS Replacment programme, MATS - 70
    Overseas missions - 90
    DFHQ - 15


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    Those who have said this is a shopping list are correct but......

    There is a VFM audit going on of the RDF, the DOD want to close RDF locations (the report says that)

    The shopping list comes to savings of € 5.31 billion, the Government need to find a minimum of € 4/5 (can't remember which) billion. Politcally is it easier to cut social welfare by 5% or do the rest??

    Remember when the Defence budget reach €1 billion? The Government is now borrowing that amount every 2.5 weeks!!!

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    Realistically I think the best and most cost-effective measure (much as I hate to say it) is to get rid of the non-integrated reserve.

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    Scenarios

    OK. simple maths as follows;

    Establishment = approx 12000, permitted strength at present is 7500. (Minister stated)
    If you minus the 4900 from 12000 you get 7100, already the permitted strength, give or take.
    Now what becomes more apparent is the budget. Savings of 2/3 of 5.6m leaves 2.8m for 2010.
    2.8m (if all for wages) will provide 4000 bodies with 7 days FTT (avg 700euro per man)

    2008 saw 4321 expend 81000 mandays, with 42 days limits.

    So, if we are to stay at 7500, then only 4000 will be permitted to to FTT.
    If however, you take the permitted strength and reduce by 4900, you get 2600 bodies, .....back to the Integration Model !!!, with a high proportion able to complete 14 days FTT.

    I agree with Dev, sweat it down to the Integrated Model.
    Likewise the report suggests disposal of properties other than barracks and these are
    all RDF, So by that simple act there is no hiding place for Cadre and the geographic spread of RDF will end.
    If you want to join, you will have to go to a PDF occupied post.
    This will permit the suits to force the military to cut all permanent cadre and support the RDF by paying temporary allowances to rotating cadre. That will end the crazy situation that applies now where they can't move them.

    Remember 421 cadre exist at present, for a model of 299 (WP04), yet no explicit reduction to happen with cadre despite the downsizing of the RDF.

    Just my thoughts

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    when that heap of horse dung the Equitation School does eventually close

    there are comrades up there who are going to be redeployed to other non horsey units

    the enlisted personnel should by right keep their grooms pay

    its not their fault their Unit is gone so why should they suffer fianancially
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    Quote Originally Posted by piper_69 View Post
    Way too complicated.

    Here is my proposal.......

    Have a mandatory fitness test for ALL ranks and ages brought in from January and any unfit / lazy b**ger who fails gets the chop. No excuses and no hiding behind rank.

    You will be left with a leaner reserve in more ways than one and a much more useful one at that because it will be the fit and/or dedicated ones who will make the effort to pass.

    Job done overnight.

    You see the easy answer is always there.
    Good idea. Clean sweep, start over. Don't stop at just Medical/Fitness tests(medicals should be mandatory too, lots of people who are medically unfit to serve holding positions around the country, I'm sure you all know one). Let everyone re-apply for their appointment.
    The Re-org put a lot of dead weight into positions of responsibility, at the expense of those who had the initiative and motivation. Sadly we lost too many of them in the last 3 years, due to discontent.
    To be revitalised as a professional/effective force, the RDF should free itself of the shackles of the old FCA mentality. And that includes the legacy of people promoted because daddy/grandad was a comdt/cs/shooting team etc.

    The entire system should mirror the PDF, and that includes the promotion system. You should NEVER be sent on a promotion course due to seniority. It's the only way we'll be taken seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    Mod Proposal : Should we split this into separate threads

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    Sounds like a fun way to spend a weekend

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    Quote Originally Posted by hedgehog View Post
    a reduction of 500 in the PDF

    over 2-3 years

    thats slighty over the average natural wastage for that period
    Yes it is. The real problem is the ban on promotions.

    Quote Originally Posted by hedgehog View Post
    but dont forget the flock of horses from the Eq school are on the strength of the establishment

    and seeing as they are going to be burgers in France soon that

    gives us a head start of 30 Cpls off the strength straightaway
    The McCarthy report is a shopping list as John Gormless said today. I'm betting that the Equitation School is safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kermit View Post
    The Integrated Reserve. Contraversial? The model didn't work. Everyone should be of that standard to begin with, not just a select few. Reduction - 2656.
    You propose to discharge 2,656 integrated reservists on the grounds that they are better trained than the non-integrated?:confused:

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