I know soemone who is a senior and who is married to an officer, would never have been allowed not so long ago but thankfully the army is being dragged kicking and screaming into line with the rest of society
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Originally posted by knocker View PostIs there any eliteism in the officers corps ? There are units here like the guards and the gunners that are very selective about who joins their cap badge.
My own Unit is like the Russian front or a Penal Battalion for Officers or -
we dont usually do the same as your lads in the Guards/ Household divisions-
to be fair to our Officers we have some great lads- I could say that in my time I have come across about 7 idiots that you wouldnt let tie their own shoe lace-
the newer generation of Officers are just like the young Soldiers
some great some middling some piss poor attitudes- thats society and
all societies failures and in fact the recession and just about every shitty thing in this world
can be blamed on Jim Shreenan- an ex cos of staff but present idiot ( he takes up 2 spaces in my list of 7 idiots)
Its great to serve with some of the good new young Oficers because they are full of enthusiasm and ability.Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
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1 or 2 over the years would have tried to lay down the law
but the majority would listen
saying that if a new Platoon Commander lays down the law- then its the law- like it or lump it.
I think if they have been trained by a good NCO in the college then they will be more trusting and
eager to learn from their own NCO's- whereas if they were trained by an ejit well then what do you expect- ejits begat other ejits.
is it the same in your neck of the woods KnockerThings fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
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Originally posted by ArdMhacha View PostIs there much provision for sport during Cadet training??
If you want to hold on to your sport outside the Cdt Sch it might have to take second place until you finish. If you're a bit of 'star' on your local club team don't think that gives you a God given right to get special treatment. It depends on who is pulling the strings in the Cdt Sch but if you're on tactics for two weeks and the county final is on then forget about it. There can be a similar approach on Saturdays. If you have a match in Donegal at 1400 on Sat and the program ends on Sat at 1230 then tough shit.
As for weeknight training with your club I'd say forget about it. I'm out a few years now so ask some of the newer blades. The system was that you would get practically zero time off between intake and Christmas, but that has probably been watered down somewhat. It's all part of the 'indoctrination'. If you can't handle 14 weeks in the Curragh away from your in-bred GAA club then 16 weeks in Chad is not for you!
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Originally posted by knocker View PostSo Hedge, in your time , what percentage of young officers have come in and tried to lay down the law and how many have come in and listened ?
Very experienced Sgt and Cpls in a BTC (or CTD as they were at the time). Recruit Pln back in camp on Sunday between weeks 1 and 2 of tactics. 2/Lt wants Recruits confined particualrly if DS's are going into town. Listens to his NCOs, allows them out based on the assurance that there is an early curfew for the Recruits and the DS's and Recruits don't socialise together. All the male recruits bar one return by curfew. The DS's 'accidently' meet some the Recruits in a pub and take it upon themselves to extend the pass for all the female recruits and one male.
You can see where this is going......DS's beat up each each other, Two DS's batter the remaining male recruit and at least two of the females made allegations against the DS's as well.
The incident was well publicised around the Bde and was used as a cautionary tale for all YOs in the years that followed. I'd say it took years to build up that trust again. Just because you're 22 and your Pln Sgt is 42 doesn't mean that you as the Officer can't exercise better judgment and you shouldn't be afraid to lay down the law as well as listen.
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your dead right
there are because of numbers- more NCO clowns than Officer clowns.
I never heard that story though
what Bde was it inThings fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
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Originally posted by hedgehog View Postyour dead right
there are because of numbers- more NCO clowns than Officer clowns.
I never heard that story though
what Bde was it in
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thats always the problem
a good Officer is turned by a bad NCO
and vice versaThings fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
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Originally posted by Jessup View PostDepends on what you mean by 'provision'. As part of program in Cdt Sch its a huge part.
If you want to hold on to your sport outside the Cdt Sch it might have to take second place until you finish. If you're a bit of 'star' on your local club team don't think that gives you a God given right to get special treatment. It depends on who is pulling the strings in the Cdt Sch but if you're on tactics for two weeks and the county final is on then forget about it. There can be a similar approach on Saturdays. If you have a match in Donegal at 1400 on Sat and the program ends on Sat at 1230 then tough shit.
As for weeknight training with your club I'd say forget about it. I'm out a few years now so ask some of the newer blades. The system was that you would get practically zero time off between intake and Christmas, but that has probably been watered down somewhat. It's all part of the 'indoctrination'. If you can't handle 14 weeks in the Curragh away from your in-bred GAA club then 16 weeks in Chad is not for you!
Your club will be the cadet school or the DF, inter-county it may be possible to play for your county (especially if you play for Roscommon (only messing!)).Last edited by DeV; 17 August 2009, 21:44.
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Hi Jessup, could you elaborate as to what kind of sports would be part of the syllabus? I'll give anything my best shot, however in school it was always athletics and outdoor pursuits I was into - sadly lacking in skills with games that involve balls. The "ethos" of the school I went to also meant that rugby was an unmentionable word, so I've little idea of that either. I have no hesitation about getting stuck in to anything new whether I'm good or bad at it but In the unlikely event of getting in, I have visions of being made an ejit of by a crowd of intercounty GAA players on a regular basis. Then again, I do come complete with some good mountain/backpacking experience to compensate....................
Thanks in advance.Last edited by northie; 17 August 2009, 22:16.
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Originally posted by Jessup View PostThat works both way gents. A 2/Lt in my Bde 'listened' to his Pln Sgt and it nearly cost him his career. I think the only thing that saved his ass is that he stayed in camp and the subsequent investigation proved that even an experienced Captain might have been unable to forsee or prevent what happened.
Very experienced Sgt and Cpls in a BTC (or CTD as they were at the time). Recruit Pln back in camp on Sunday between weeks 1 and 2 of tactics. 2/Lt wants Recruits confined particualrly if DS's are going into town. Listens to his NCOs, allows them out based on the assurance that there is an early curfew for the Recruits and the DS's and Recruits don't socialise together. All the male recruits bar one return by curfew. The DS's 'accidently' meet some the Recruits in a pub and take it upon themselves to extend the pass for all the female recruits and one male.
You can see where this is going......DS's beat up each each other, Two DS's batter the remaining male recruit and at least two of the females made allegations against the DS's as well.
The incident was well publicised around the Bde and was used as a cautionary tale for all YOs in the years that followed. I'd say it took years to build up that trust again. Just because you're 22 and your Pln Sgt is 42 doesn't mean that you as the Officer can't exercise better judgment and you shouldn't be afraid to lay down the law as well as listen.
The lady recruits were well able to bat their eyelashes as 3 stars as well.
Senior ncos were known to swoon at those lashes
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