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    Soldier 2010

    Heard a few changes are coming to the field dress in 2010. i have listed the most important points that were proposed

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    • zips to replace buttons on pants and smocks, smock breast to have zips for side opening
    • new norgie with better tech specs dpm
    • new fleece dpm with better specs and soft shell
    • small irish flag replaced with larger irish flag
    • new df logo and irish defence forces "name tag over left pocket all smocks, shirts etc
    • dryflo to be dpm with velcro for rank markings
    • che che to replace shemagh in irish dpm
    • barcode on all issue
    • pockets on shirt to be designed like kaki shirt
    • renforced groin area in pants
    • elmer fud hat to have df logo



    what do people think ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dog One View Post
    what do people think ?
    I think the RDF won't see Soldier 2010 until 2025

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    your right i would say. no under amour shirt which surprising ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dog One View Post
    Heard a few changes are coming to the field dress in 2010. i have listed the most important points that were proposed

    [LIST]
    • zips to replace buttons on pants and smocks, smock breast to have zips for side opening
    • new norgie with better tech specs dpm
    • new fleece dpm with better specs and soft shell
    • small irish flag replaced with larger irish flag
    • new df logo and irish defence forces "name tag over left pocket all smocks, shirts etc
    • dryflo to be dpm with velcro for rank markings
    • che che to replace shemagh in irish dpm
    • barcode on all issue
    • pockets on shirt to be designed like kaki shirt
    • renforced groin area in pants
    • elmer fud hat to have df logo



    what do people think ?
    zips to replace buttons on pants and smocks, smock breast to have zips for side openingBad Idea

    new norgie with better tech specs dpmGood Idea

    new fleece dpm with better specs and soft shellGood Idea

    small irish flag replaced with larger irish flag Good Idea

    new df logo and irish defence forces "name tag over left pocket all smocks, shirts etcNot Needed

    dryflo to be dpm with velcro for rank markingsDPM dryflo, STUPID Idea!

    che che to replace shemagh in irish dpmWhats That?

    barcode on all issueGood Idea

    pockets on shirt to be designed like kaki shirtRETARTED Idea!

    renforced groin area in pantsGood Idea, but it would make more sense to get rid of the uni sex throwers first

    elmer fud hat to have df logoNot needed
    Don't stand there GAWPING, like you've never seen the hand of God BEFORE!!

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    with the battle vest i think the zips on smock breast pockets will be a good idea. as top entry is not poossible. also with battle vest pockets on shirt are reduntant, che che issued to guys going to chad its a scarf

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    I think the Bar Codes are already in..I actually remember someone here mentioning that a few months ago.

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    Is the Irish Flag gonna be on Velcro, or does it have to be stitched?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwiftandSure View Post
    I think the RDF won't see Soldier 2010 until 2025
    I think they'll never see it as the organisation will be well disbanded by that stage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyshirt View Post
    Is the Irish Flag gonna be on Velcro, or does it have to be stitched?
    Should be left stiched, theres no need for us to have to take it off.
    Don't stand there GAWPING, like you've never seen the hand of God BEFORE!!

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    I agree with most of Paul's comments.

    * zips to replace buttons on pants and smocks, smock breast to have zips for side opening
    Zips have a dirty habit of breaking when you need them most
    * new norgie with better tech specs dpm
    [ why ? ]
    * new fleece dpm with better specs and soft shell
    [ the current fleece is excellent I think ]

    * small irish flag replaced with larger irish flag [ why bother ]
    * new df logo and irish defence forces "name tag over left pocket all smocks, shirts etc
    [ why bother, who cares ]
    * dryflo to be dpm with velcro for rank markings
    [ again what a stupid mistake , for those who buy COTS driflo off the web from rvops and other manufacturers. ]
    * che che to replace shemagh in irish dpm
    * barcode on all issue
    * pockets on shirt to be designed like kaki shirt
    * renforced groin area in pants
    * elmer fud hat to have df logo [ who gets this hat anyway ? ]
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    The Dryflo DPM is a good idea as they will be better when wearing BA as opposed to wearing a dry flo and shirt in 30-40 degree heat abroad

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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    I agree with most of Paul's comments.

    * new norgie with better tech specs dpm
    [ why ? ]
    * new fleece dpm with better specs and soft shell
    [ the current fleece is excellent I think ]
    * small irish flag replaced with larger irish flag [ why bother ]
    * new df logo and irish defence forces "name tag over left pocket all smocks, shirts etc
    [ why bother, who cares ]
    * dryflo to be dpm with velcro for rank markings
    [ again what a stupid mistake , for those who buy COTS driflo off the web from rvops and other manufacturers. ]
    * elmer fud hat to have df logo [ who gets this hat anyway ? ]
    In order,
    keep you warmer so you won't have to get your own gear, dpm though not the best idea, will be work as outer garment.

    Again the same as above.

    To reduce costs on buying 2 flags and having to have the larger one over seas, it all adds up.

    No one, increasing costs, contritely to previous point.

    Velcro good idea but whoever said for it to be in dpm should get a slap.

    Tthe nordic battle group got them. The logo ,again raising costs as already stated.



    Quote Originally Posted by Craghopper View Post
    The Dryflo DPM is a good idea as they will be better when wearing BA as opposed to wearing a dry flo and shirt in 30-40 degree heat abroad
    I would rather just wear the shirt than both, one flash fire and you have a nice case of skin+remains of dryflow and a nice couple of plastic surgery operations to "fix" your skin.
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    Will all the items now being made in DPM be IRR treated? The Brits used to issue DPM fleeces too, until they realised that they lit up like a christmas tree under IR light.

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    A question,

    Does anybody know what stock the DF has of current issue kit, or how new kit is to be rolled out???.

    Doe we know if the Fleece/Norwegian is available to RDF. I'm asking this as it is coming into winter and i have a Pl who have no Fleeces/Norgie/ jumpers, and parading outdoors the troops are suffering.
    But there's no danger
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    zips to replace buttons on pants and smocks, smock breast to have zips for side opening
    Could be worse, the US have velcro on all pockets!
    Facts are meaningless - you could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darksaga View Post
    Could be worse, the US have velcro on all pockets!
    Buttons gone off their trousers pockets and replaced by it too, doesn't make alot of sense:confused:
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul View Post
    Buttons gone off their trousers pockets and replaced by it too, doesn't make alot of sense:confused:
    nope buttons as seen by moi all over normandy
    But there's no danger
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbocalves View Post
    nope buttons as seen by moi all over normandy
    Must have been changed since they brought it in, that being the last time I bothered to read about it.
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    These uniform improvements seem reasonable enough. Our new unitofrms have a zipper instead of buttons on the shirt/jacket and velcro on the pockets. The zip is a let more comfortable under body armour than buttons, the buttons chafe and cause "hot spots" Otherwise the new US uniform is actually the most useless uni in the world unless you are hiding on granny's couch or in pea gravel.

    We went to driflo t-shirts, only to discover they become "melt to fit" in fire/explosion/IED, hence the nomex issue shirt for overseas. Stupid really, firefighters are not allowed to wear driflo, has to be cotton or nomex....saw that one coming when we got the new kit.

    Can't speak to the rest of the changes as I don't wear the Irish uniform.

    But, in the spirit of wasting money, it has recently come to light that the tests for our new "ACU" were "fudged" and the current pattern came in 7th in testing but was strangely adopted. Only recently after some prodding from Congress and a newspaper, did the Army reluctantly agree they may have got it wrong and are scrambling to sort out new uniforms and will probably go back to a green type DPM for woodland and brown type DPM for the desert. After all, what's $5 billion of taxpayer money..........sigh....A

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbocalves View Post
    A question,

    Does anybody know what stock the DF has of current issue kit, or how new kit is to be rolled out???.

    Doe we know if the Fleece/Norwegian is available to RDF. I'm asking this as it is coming into winter and i have a Pl who have no Fleeces/Norgie/ jumpers, and parading outdoors the troops are suffering.
    Have a look at this:

    http://www.rdfra.ie/Misc/scale.shtml#AR

    Print that off and bring it for a "chat" with your Q.
    If he won't give you the gear, bring said list ot your coy comdr and point out that it is his responsibility to ensure the well being of his troops and if they get ill from being ordered to stand out in the cold without being issued cold weather gear it will be his head on the block.

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    contracts wont be up till end of 2010 so old stock will have to be used up first i would say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piper_69 View Post
    Have a look at this:

    http://www.rdfra.ie/Misc/scale.shtml#AR

    Print that off and bring it for a "chat" with your Q.
    If he won't give you the gear, bring said list ot your coy comdr and point out that it is his responsibility to ensure the well being of his troops and if they get ill from being ordered to stand out in the cold without being issued cold weather gear it will be his head on the block.
    The route of least resistance is to actually to separate the troops from the enviornment. See the 'What's killling the reserve' thread for examples of how we're not allowed get the troops wet, cold, hungry or tired in any way, shape or form. Heaven forbid that they experience a little hardship in their military training.
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    There is a phrase here " all the gear , no idea " we apply to certain types who like to wear all the kit but are useless when it comes to gettign hands on.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishrgr View Post
    These uniform improvements seem reasonable enough. Our new unitofrms have a zipper instead of buttons on the shirt/jacket and velcro on the pockets. The zip is a let more comfortable under body armour than buttons, the buttons chafe and cause "hot spots"
    Its not a zip they suggested, buttons are staying, they want to change the style of pocket to ones that will be only useful for holding a pen and the odd bit of small paper. You probably taught the smock referred to your equivalent of the combat shirt, it's our jacket.

    Pockets they have suggested, from what I understand.
    Last edited by paul; 23rd October 2009 at 14:52.
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    Quote Originally Posted by piper_69 View Post
    Have a look at this:

    http://www.rdfra.ie/Misc/scale.shtml#AR

    Print that off and bring it for a "chat" with your Q.
    If he won't give you the gear, bring said list ot your coy comdr and point out that it is his responsibility to ensure the well being of his troops and if they get ill from being ordered to stand out in the cold without being issued cold weather gear it will be his head on the block.
    Now, why didn't we think of that back in the mid 1970's to mid 1980s, when pleading for an issue of a second set of combats for Cash & Explosive Patrols, we had to make do with ponchos, and in the winter ponchos with an army blanket worn as a poncho liner.

    But then again we had no alternative but to tough it out.

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