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    Put it this way. Some of the armed forces that encounter these fire threats on a daily basis in war zones banned their use by personnel.

    They even went as far as developing specific flame retardant suits for vehicle crews and anyone travelling in them for extended periods of time.

    I wont wear anything other than cotton when working around flames and inflammable materials (oxy acethlene, welding, fuel transfers, composite layups).

    Great for running around and training, or when I'm doing sports, but on the job, a big no no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    The issue isn't that it burns, the issue is that it melts into your skin, leaving you requiring a lot of skin grafts.
    I am aware of that - it was a big issue during the falklands. What I meant was, for day to day use around barracks etc (and i speak as someone who isn't serving) I imagine its fine, its not going to go up in a sheet of flame. However if you were going to be in operations where there is a risk of fire (at sea, overseas, combat) then dri flo would not be suitable........

    As I have said, the alternatives that would provide equivalent properties for breathability and comfort are the Helly Hansen system or to go with a merino wool garment or possibly that new bamboo based stuff......

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    Quote Originally Posted by hedgehog View Post
    I dont think sparks are our main worries
    I wasn't suggesting they were. It was meant as an example of how sparks will melt dri flo tops, and extrapolating that in event of fire or explosion they would melt to your skin, hence not the safest option for military use.
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    No to zips to replace buttons
    Zips on smock breast - excellent Arktis smock have them
    Nothing wrong with norge IMHO, except many too heavy
    IMHO fleece should be replaced by a Snugpak type packet
    Larger tricolour - not sure
    Logo & "Irish Defence Forces" - depends on design, if black & low vis ok
    DPM driflo - can it then be used as dpm outer? Could do away with need for one with shirt sleeves
    che che - ?????
    barcodes - will they come off in the wash? will they be unique to that individual item (would it be cheaper to print the persons name & number on it?
    redesigned shirt pockets - no way
    reinforced groin area - definitely required!! (my issue is older and I've never had any problems)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    No to zips to replace buttons
    Zips on smock breast - excellent Arktis smock have them
    Nothing wrong with norge IMHO, except many too heavy
    IMHO fleece should be replaced by a Snugpak type packet
    Larger tricolour - not sure
    Logo & "Irish Defence Forces" - depends on design, if black & low vis ok
    DPM driflo - can it then be used as dpm outer? Could do away with need for one with shirt sleeves
    che che - ?????
    barcodes - will they come off in the wash? will they be unique to that individual item (would it be cheaper to print the persons name & number on it?
    redesigned shirt pockets - no way
    reinforced groin area - definitely required!! (my issue is older and I've never had any problems)


    A Larger Tri-Colour is needed for Overseas deployments..

    A Che Che I think is a Shesh..a camo'd wrap around.

    Was told last week Bar codes are already in..All new issue. It would make sence to put name/Number..Stop them selling it on Ebay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    che che - ?????
    Is this a che che?


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    Yeah
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    No to zips to replace buttons
    Zips on smock breast - excellent Arktis smock have them
    Nothing wrong with norge IMHO, except many too heavy
    IMHO fleece should be replaced by a Snugpak type packet
    Larger tricolour - not sure
    Logo & "Irish Defence Forces" - depends on design, if black & low vis ok
    DPM driflo - can it then be used as dpm outer? Could do away with need for one with shirt sleeves
    che che - ?????
    barcodes - will they come off in the wash? will they be unique to that individual item (would it be cheaper to print the persons name & number on it?
    redesigned shirt pockets - no way
    reinforced groin area - definitely required!! (my issue is older and I've never had any problems)
    As well as the zips melting when there washed and left on a radiator, seen it happen more than once with smocks.

    Thats to get to the inside pocket not the outside pockets, the zips won't work unless the pocket is angled so stop everything falling out.

    The Fleece should be replaced with something like a snugpak.

    The tri colour is to reduce costs, no more need to buy a small one and a larger one for over seas anymore.

    If the dpm dryflo comes in it WILL be worn as an outer layer and olny because people can get away with it.

    Reinforced the groin as much as you want but it will still burst because they are uni-sex trousers so they don't fit anyone propertly. Go into any hiking shop and pick up a pair of women's hiking trousers and a men's pair and you'll see that they are cut and sticked differently to hold together better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connaught Stranger View Post
    Now, why didn't we think of that back in the mid 1970's to mid 1980s, when pleading for an issue of a second set of combats for Cash & Explosive Patrols, we had to make do with ponchos, and in the winter ponchos with an army blanket worn as a poncho liner.

    But then again we had no alternative but to tough it out.
    different type of person we were then cs the only question i would ask is where do soldiers store all that gear they now seem to have a different outfit for every occasion.. will the barcode replace the big service number or is that gone as well .. great to see new gear but with the recession its quality will come into question

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden rivet View Post
    the only question i would ask is where do soldiers store all that gear they now seem to have a different outfit for every occasion.
    F*** me, don't get my missus started. She's sick of wardrobes filling up with the kit that overflows from my two lockers full in barracks!! Webbing and field gear fills one locker on it's own
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    Was there anything issued between the ponchos and the present water proof issue ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by REX View Post
    F*** me, don't get my missus started. She's sick of wardrobes filling up with the kit that overflows from my two lockers full in barracks!! Webbing and field gear fills one locker on it's own
    any pictures of when all your kit is laid out for inspection..

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    No to zips to replace buttons
    Zips on smock breast - excellent Arktis smock have them
    Nothing wrong with norge IMHO, except many too heavy
    IMHO fleece should be replaced by a Snugpak type packet
    Larger tricolour - not sure
    Logo & "Irish Defence Forces" - depends on design, if black & low vis ok
    DPM driflo - can it then be used as dpm outer? Could do away with need for one with shirt sleeves
    che che - ?????
    barcodes - will they come off in the wash? will they be unique to that individual item (would it be cheaper to print the persons name & number on it?
    redesigned shirt pockets - no way
    reinforced groin area - definitely required!! (my issue is older and I've never had any problems)
    Quote Originally Posted by knocker View Post
    Was there anything issued between the ponchos and the present water proof issue ?

    Yeah..plastic type wet proofs.. brutal Sh1te.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craghopper View Post
    Yeah..plastic type wet proofs.. brutal Sh1te.
    ahhhh you had them too , we called them " boil in the bags " about as much use as a chocolate fireguard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craghopper View Post
    Yeah..plastic type wet proofs.. brutal Sh1te.
    .... and the light green Goretex stuff, which was in service immediately prior to the
    present DPM issue
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    light green stuff wasn't gore-tex...far from it......but was a big improvement over the boil in the bag stuff.....although the cut was too long in the light green jackets.
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    That was the trial fleece, it has the shoulder epilates and this is to be changed in the new version back to just a rank slider on the chest as with the smock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piper_69 View Post
    Have a look at this:

    http://www.rdfra.ie/Misc/scale.shtml#AR

    Print that off and bring it for a "chat" with your Q.
    If he won't give you the gear, bring said list ot your coy comdr and point out that it is his responsibility to ensure the well being of his troops and if they get ill from being ordered to stand out in the cold without being issued cold weather gear it will be his head on the block.
    Are u serious, just shut up they will get ill been out in the cold, what for like an hour try 2 weeks solid on the ground in wet gear for all off it, see if they get cold then, thats why ppl hate u moaning about shit like that.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RDF View Post
    Are u serious, just shut up they will get ill been out in the cold, what for like an hour try 2 weeks solid on the ground in wet gear for all off it, see if they get cold then, thats why ppl hate u moaning about shit like that.....
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    Got my grubby little paws on the new Norgie today.It is a dark olive green colour(Not bottle green ala the driflo/stable belt)has a "defence forces ireland " badge on the chest same as the driflo and is constructed of a coolmax/driflo material on the outside and a microfleece inner.Packs down really small aswell.Oh and the zip has a small shroud over it at the neck end.The thumb loops are gone though.Made by Carra.
    Looks like a good bit of kit but i will reserve judgement until i get mine and try it out.During the summer
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    Quote Originally Posted by X-RayOne View Post
    light green stuff wasn't gore-tex...far from it......but was a big improvement over the boil in the bag stuff.....although the cut was too long in the light green jackets.
    They were the goofiest item of uniform ever, bulky to store and everyone no matter how big their frame looked retarded in them, I'd rather have been issued an umbrella that would have been slightly less gay looking

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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Got my grubby little paws on the new Norgie today.It is a dark olive green colour(Not bottle green ala the driflo/stable belt)has a "defence forces ireland " badge on the chest same as the driflo and is constructed of a coolmax/driflo material on the outside and a microfleece inner.Packs down really small aswell.Oh and the zip has a small shroud over it at the neck end.The thumb loops are gone though.Made by Carra.
    Looks like a good bit of kit but i will reserve judgement until i get mine and try it out.During the summer
    Does this come with a stash bag ?

    Saw one of the new "barracks jackets" a couple of weeks ago, with the aforementioned
    tab on the LHS (FF badge with "Defence Forces Ireland in black lettering on an
    olive green tab (same as the nametag). Didn't notice if the tab is stitched on, or if it is
    Velcro backed, like the nametags

    Also with a chest epaulette mounted rank slider

    The tricolour is large though - am not sure that a bright flash has a place on a DPM
    uniform
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post

    The tricolour is large though - am not sure that a bright flash has a place on a DPM
    uniform
    I think a subdued tricolour might be a bit pointless

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