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    Quote Originally Posted by amurph0 View Post
    Just underneath are the manufacturers details and what the supposed specs of the shirt will be like



    So it will be a proper under-armour and not some lookalike thing??


    Either way, you'll never be allowed to wear it because there not allowed to produce equipment with the exact camo pattern of the DF. Beside, what they are selling defy's one of the main point of a under armour shirt, that being, flash fire resistance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul View Post
    Either way, you'll never be allowed to wear it because there not allowed to produce equipment with the exact camo pattern of the DF. Beside, what they are selling defy's one of the main point of a under armour shirt, that being, flash fire resistance.
    That didn't stop them making the rank markings and nametags in proper Irish DPM.

    And there's no law against them making it in Protac IDPM.

    Body armor shirts were designed to wick moisture away from the body and increase comfort when wearing body armor in hot climates. Flame resistance is just one features that was added after incidents in Iraq and Afghanistan. Point being that flame resistance was not the influence behind designing the shirt, it was designed to provide comfort to the user.

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    Troops started using under armour sports clothing as troops do.

    After a number of incidents where the clothing melted into the skin and compounded injuries, the MAs banned their use, notably the USMC.

    They ordered all troops to wear only cotton or flame resistant materials.

    The civilian manufactures then set about developing these properties into their garments in parallel to the military who were developing their own - USMC FROG clothing for use by personnel who spent most of their time mounted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amurph0 View Post
    That didn't stop them making the rank markings and nametags in proper Irish DPM.
    Which your not meant to be alowed to wear.
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    Do protac make the Dpm Sleeves to hold the GPMG spare barrel and spare parts? We had them on the range recently and they appear to be the same as some of the Protac gear? Dpm but not perfect basically the protac version!
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    What is the point in DPM rank markings and nametags?

    Apart from looking ridiculous of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hello Alaska View Post
    What is the point in DPM rank markings and nametags?

    Apart from looking ridiculous of course.
    camouflage , duh



    uniformity? that being negated when some do have em, some dont etc
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    If everyone wears the issued name tags and rank slides then there will be uniformity...
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    Quote Originally Posted by concussion View Post
    If everyone wears the issued name tags and rank slides then there will be uniformity...
    but sure that would make too much sense!
    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
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    And whistled early with the lark.

    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
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    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic-Warrior View Post
    Do protac make the Dpm Sleeves to hold the GPMG spare barrel and spare parts? We had them on the range recently and they appear to be the same as some of the Protac gear? Dpm but not perfect basically the protac version!
    Yes.They do.



    Quote Originally Posted by Hello Alaska View Post
    What is the point in DPM rank markings and nametags?

    Apart from looking ridiculous of course.
    None.They look retarded and make it next to impossible to read someones name unless you are a foot from them.Counter productive.
    But then if you want to talk ridiculous all we gotta do is mention the new "Defence forces ireland" flashesand the idea of replacing a small,hard to see at a distance tricolour with a big f**k off one!Great idea from a force protection view for overseas ops.Not much good on a tactical exercise,course etc.
    A better idea would have been to have velcro patches pre sewn to the sleeves Ala the nametag and supply a pack of tricolours with the matching velcro sewn onto them.You could then whip em off when needed.But hey that would make sense.
    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Yes.They do.





    None.They look retarded and make it next to impossible to read someones name unless you are a foot from them.Counter productive.
    But then if you want to talk ridiculous all we gotta do is mention the new "Defence forces ireland" flashesand the idea of replacing a small,hard to see at a distance tricolour with a big f**k off one!Great idea from a force protection view for overseas ops.Not much good on a tactical exercise,course etc.
    A better idea would have been to have velcro patches pre sewn to the sleeves Ala the nametag and supply a pack of tricolours with the matching velcro sewn onto them.You could then whip em off when needed.But hey that would make sense.
    This is an unusal situation i find myself in, as i am in totall agreement with you on this.......
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    Not liking the look of those new pockets...would something more tactical focused be a better idea, like the pockets on the US Army Uniform?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ODIN View Post
    Not liking the look of those new pockets...would something more tactical focused be a better idea, like the pockets on the US Army Uniform?
    Which new pockets, shirt, smock, trousers??
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    Shirt...As shown

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    Quote Originally Posted by amurph0 View Post
    They also sell the issue Irish DPM body armour!

    http://gotactical.ie/category.php?id_category=107

    I saw a guy on tactics wearing this, i always wondered where he got it!
    You do know that's not the issued body armour don't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODIN View Post
    Shirt...As shown
    Those pockets are crud.

    Who comes up with these ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck View Post
    but sure that would make too much sense!

    I don't see what you mean. It's the standard, not something toward which an attempt has been made to attain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by concussion View Post
    I don't see what you mean. It's the standard, not something toward which an attempt has been made to attain.
    x2

    There's nothing uniform about wearing non-issue nametags and rank markings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    But then if you want to talk ridiculous all we gotta do is mention the new "Defence forces ireland" flashesand the idea of replacing a small,hard to see at a distance tricolour with a big f**k off one!Great idea from a force protection view for overseas ops.Not much good on a tactical exercise,course etc.
    A better idea would have been to have velcro patches pre sewn to the sleeves Ala the nametag and supply a pack of tricolours with the matching velcro sewn onto them.You could then whip em off when needed.But hey that would make sense.
    i think thats exactly what i'll be getting done myself....same as some of the overseas shirts that had velcro put on them.

    as an aside the shirt sketch looks like the shirt is regressing to the short sleeve olive ones we used to be issued with.
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    I think the velcro patches would be a great idea, will it ever happen though...probably not
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    Apparantly there was a DF clothing conference in Dublin today for all the PDF CQ's.New kit was on show.Looks like i was on the money about supplied items not always being the same as what is on the tender.Smock upper pockets DO have zips but they are on the sides not horizontal.Pocket flaps are just for show.DPM fleece,norgie , shirt and Driflo all on show.
    So i have been reliably informed.
    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hello Alaska View Post
    You do know that's not the issued body armour don't you?
    It used to be.That was the second type of DPM body armour cover we had(Circa2003).Issued in Kosovo etc.It had a few mods from the original 1999 Ptn DPM one which was exactly the same design as the old OG one. Differences were a velcro- in lumbar pad inside.A black mesh liner, a pocket on the lower back.A large box type chest pocket with a long strip of velcro across the upper chest for a nametag.Also it had epalluates(sic).
    There was also a waistcoat type DPM flakker on trial with the NCOTW but never issued.
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    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Smock upper pockets DO have zips but they are on the sides not horizontal.Pocket flaps are just for show.
    What is the point of the flaps then? Is that another one of them making it look good for parade with no useful tactical use whatsoever?
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    Quote Originally Posted by concussion View Post
    I don't see what you mean. It's the standard, not something toward which an attempt has been made to attain.
    yeah but noones told (AFAIK) to take them off and replace them with the standard ones
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    And whistled early with the lark.

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    He put a bullet through his brain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck View Post
    yeah but noones told (AFAIK) to take them off and replace them with the standard ones
    Indeed. Let's ignore regulations till someone catches us...

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