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    An artillery battery is on the Irish Palette of forces for deployment.

    However, our guns don’t have the updated systems like RA guns and the 120 mortars have a large danger area. In a PSO that is a consideration.

    Plus is there the demand? Normally it is infantry that is more in demand

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post

    ...Plus is there the demand? Normally it is infantry that is more in demand
    Wrong way around.

    The UN is sufficiently desperate for competent forces that will fulfill the mandate that they will take what they're offered.

    If the Irish government says that they they will offer X force, but that that force will contain an Artillery Bty, and the force is offered on a 'whole force', take-it-or-leave-it basis, the UN will still take it.

    The IG is the arbitor of what form it's deployed forces take and what force protection measures it's forces require - not a Thai UN administrator or Nigerian Staff Officer.

    This isn't a new thing, it's merely a continuation of existing, and long standing government policy - the IG chooses, on a case by case basis, to offer, or not offer, forces to UN and EU operations as it sees fit according to the nature and objectives of each operation. There's already quite a bit of 'no thanks, it's not for us....' in deciding whether Irish forces should be involved in this or that operation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    However, our guns don’t have the updated systems like RA guns and the 120 mortars have a large danger area. In a PSO that is a consideration.
    The big advantage of the LINAPS system that the UK uses is that the fixation and orientation of the gun is done for you.
    You can drop it off of the tow hitch and be ready to fire are soon as you can swing the barrel, there is no need for laying out.

    In any potential L118 deployment by the Irish DF, the guns would likely be static and already laid out.
    In the static case, using optical sights is only marginally slower (if at all) than usiing LINAPS.

    As for danger area, the L118 is more accurate than a 120mm mortar so if the worry is that civilians are in the vicinity, the L118 is a much better choice for fire support that the mortars that are currently being deployed. There is little chance of those mortars ever firing HE and they are there primarily for illumination purposes.
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    Am I dreaming or didn't I see an article in An Cosantoir once about an Artillery shoort in UNIFIL with 120mm Mortars? They were using illum rounds and that may have been all they were allowed to have but they def had mortars of some type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poiuyt View Post
    Am I dreaming or didn't I see an article in An Cosantoir once about an Artillery shoort in UNIFIL with 120mm Mortars? They were using illum rounds and that may have been all they were allowed to have but they def had mortars of some type.
    The Brandt was definitely used in UNIFIL up until at least the 90s

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