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  • #76
    Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
    Flower class whalers?
    They aren't whalers. The design was inspired by a whaler design but that's it.

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    • #77
      They were based on a whaler hull but.i dont think any Flower class Corvette had a confirmed kill of any cetaceans.
      By the end of WW2 most users of the flower class had upgraded to The castle class. When we got our 3 flowers there was as many retired castles available and these were far more suitable for ocean work...
      But anyway....
      The state was being offered a multitude of surplus kit, post war, but instead close to spend the absolute minimum on the bare minimum on equipment that in many cases continued in service until the 70s and even 80s.
      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Auldsod View Post
        They aren't whalers. The design was inspired by a whaler design but that's it.
        I was being sarcastic.......

        I always thought we were the last users of the Flower Class, but Portugal had one in service as did Greece after us.What always amused me about them was back in 1940 they were considered as a 'stop gap ' convoy escort, what gap were the successive governments going to fill with them 35 years after they were purchased.

        The Ford, Dodge , Leyland and even the Landsverks were in fact useless since conception in any armoured warfare concept and weren't even useful as recce vehicles because of their limited off road mobility.... lets not even go there with Beaverettes

        Panhards were light years ahead of anything previous but weren't that far advanced that the lineage couldn't be traced back to wartime armour, they were within 10 years of their introduction , obselete.

        Timoney....well that was a real hiding to no where

        Mowag and BAE vehicles.... will probably be in service as long as the Fords were.
        Last edited by hptmurphy; 1 August 2019, 12:10.
        Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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        • #79
          Mowag/General Dynamics seem to have a hull design that can be upgraded with new drive train, powerplant and armament as time goes by. However vehicles, like the Unimog, Landsverk and Ford were built around a truck chassis and any possible modification was possible only if the chassis could accommodate the change. In most cases, it couldn't. (THREAD DRIFT) Were the landsverks original armament upgraded with cannon taken from the spitfires or vampires or something? Results were questionable.
          The Panhard was a design developed from an inter-war scout car design, and built to counter the type of threat found during the 2nd world war. By 1963 it was a mature design, that the French had long decided would only be for export to their former colonies. Meanwhile they had moved on to the AMX10 , ERC and VBC, basically light tanks with tyres, while they offered the likes of us the 1950s panhard upgraded with a bigger main gun, as useful in combat as a derringer against a smg. Your first shot better kill, because the enemy response will finish you off.
          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
            They were based on a whaler hull but.i dont think any Flower class Corvette had a confirmed kill of any cetaceans.
            Some were sold to Norwegian operators who turned them into Whalers after the war.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
              I was being sarcastic.......

              I always thought we were the last users of the Flower Class, but Portugal had one in service as did Greece after us.What always amused me about them was back in 1940 they were considered as a 'stop gap ' convoy escort, what gap were the successive governments going to fill with them 35 years after they were purchased.

              The Ford, Dodge , Leyland and even the Landsverks were in fact useless since conception in any armoured warfare concept and weren't even useful as recce vehicles because of their limited off road mobility.... lets not even go there with Beaverettes

              Panhards were light years ahead of anything previous but weren't that far advanced that the lineage couldn't be traced back to wartime armour, they were within 10 years of their introduction , obselete.

              Timoney....well that was a real hiding to no where

              Mowag and BAE vehicles.... will probably be in service as long as the Fords were.
              To be fair to the Landsverk company the L-60 tanks were not bad when the entered service in 35/36 but with only 2 what were we ever going to do with them. They were a half decent light tank.

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              • #82
                From the Yank, a video with some interesting old films and photos over the years!
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oarLQY6VJzs

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                  To be fair to the Landsverk company the L-60 tanks were not bad when the entered service in 35/36 but with only 2 what were we ever going to do with them. They were a half decent light tank.
                  The best use for them is their current use...Museum exhibits!, they were the basis for an above average Medium tank as used by the Hungarians and the Swedes, probably on a par with early series Panzer IIIs, but then again we only bought them as atraining toool to teach infantry to fight tanks..and not as a deployable tank unit, not a bad idea in itself if you don't want to wear out you existing tank fleet training infantry.... we just overlooked the 'main tank fleet' thing!
                  Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                  • #84
                    Were the landsverks original armament upgraded with cannon taken from the spitfires or vampires or something
                    Lelands and Landsverks

                    Hispanos taken from Vampires but rate of fire was too high and had to be retarded for vehicle use causing serviceability issues, very prone to stopages when firing below the cyclic rate they were designed for.

                    By 1963 it was a mature design, that the French had long decided would only be for export to their former colonies. Meanwhile they had moved on to the AMX10 , ERC and VBC,
                    You forgot the EBR
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                    • #85
                      The EBR served alongside the AML in France. The EBR was replaced in service by the AMX10RC while the AML was replaced by the VBC90 (In 1983).
                      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                        The EBR served alongside the AML in France. The EBR was replaced in service by the AMX10RC while the AML was replaced by the VBC90 (In 1983).
                        As the AMX10RC's will be phased out over the next few years I wonder if some bright spark is thinking of asking the French for a few to replace what we lost with the retirement of the AML90's and the FV101's?
                        Would be fitting our normal practice of buying something that was good in its time but is going obsolete!
                        Last edited by EUFighter; 2 August 2019, 11:14.

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                        • #87
                          buuuut......they dont match the Mowags so you'd have to have a seperate spares stream for them.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
                            buuuut......they dont match the Mowags so you'd have to have a seperate spares stream for them.
                            And different drivers courses

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                            • #89
                              the ideal replacement for the AMLs would be the 90mm Mowag but the Govt doesnt seem to want to go down that route.

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                              • #90
                                Even if I only mentioned the AMX10RCs as a joke....the display of "ohhh no that we could not do" has been classic, and in any case;
                                Did the AML's and Scorpion's all had the same spares, same munitions, same driver and crew courses as the MOWAGs???

                                And btw, the Belgium would gladly sell us their MOWAG Piranha IIIc 90mm variants if we ever made serious inquiries, ahhh but they have IIIc and ours are IIIh, shame.

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